Field Test: 9 Value Bikes Hucked to Flat in Ultra Slo-Mo

 yep, whole new meaning to shameless plug. poor mike. they've relegated his charm to the equivalent of a sign twirler standing out on the corner.

 @novajustin: I can't watch anymore. It's like a shit joke.

 Stop trying to make beta a thing.

 If you pay for a subscription, do the adds stop? Asking for a friend.

 @mikekazimer: but would this ad have stopped? this ad looks like it's directly edited into the video.

 @novajustin: Magic

 @novajustin, yes, there's a different video hosted on Beta that doesn't have the ad in it.

 @mikekazimer: Seriously I do not know what is more worrying, me starting to appreciate the silly ads (almost like a new wave of ‘90s Clerk sketch type like genre) or viewers enjoying the sight of poor Matt’s ankles and wrists getting smashed on hardtails hucks for the good of bro science.
Is there a way for paying members to opt for the videos WITH ads?
In any case, I think the HTF series deserves a better soundtrack.

 @mikekazimer: So, your bosses want us to pay to get rid of the downgrades? Quite the business model.

 @jaydawg69: you clearly do not know how video works

 @valrock: There is a thing called Sponsorblock, people flags the ad and it blocks cooked ads, i recommend using it

 It's becoming an auto fast forward section on their videos for me. Am I the only one? I saw it the first time a few vids ago, I get it, but won't get it. Thanks.

 I feel like the Henry in the ad: Nope my time is more valuable, and scroll to where the ad is over.

 It's like magazines, especially free ones that only use ads and occasion promoted content are barely or not profitable. It's like maybe Pinkbike actually needs the support of Outside (no matter how much you hate them) to be profitable and in the end, Pinkbike is a business, not your friend. Consider these mild ads and occasional sponsored content a gift compared to other channels and sites and remember, Pinkbike probably doesn't bring in that much per field test and paying to fly people around isn't cheap.

 @novajustin: In Mike’s defense, some of those sign twirlers have that shit on lock

 @novajustin: Have you guys just got the internet today or something? I just had a WW2 documentary interrupted constantly with pointless YouTube adds. One of the adds was for a bank card reader for my store that doesn’t exist. It’s pretty bad out there. One mildly amusing short plug shoe horned into a huck to flat video isn’t the end of the world.

 @jaydawg69: tell me more.

 @thenotoriousmic: you clearly don't understand the difference between ads you get and expect when watching videos on youtube and then being force fed a guilt trip that has been edited into a video you are watching, not dropped in as an ad slot that you can see coming with the yellow bars in the timeline. you've argued with me about this on another post, and i'll make the same point to you on this thread because i guess you didn't get it the first time.

"YouTube is a video service with prime coverage for ads. Having said that, I don't see ads for YouTube TV while I am watching videos on YouTube... Using your staff to plug ads for a paid service on a website that was previously entirely free to use is a different scenario. also, the plug for the membership wasn't even one of those yellow ad slots in the video. It was straight edited into the middle of the video."

look, i get it. you got suckered into paying for their service and maybe you feel like you got got. so now you're coming over here to defend your position on paying for this service but you're not going to change my mind.

 @Noeserd: or we could all move to China where the government would do it for us

 Matt’s calves represent the my personal goals for my quads.

 @PHX77: I’m just glad your goals have remained personal

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY4Rg2Vq9mE

 We can see the chain and derailleurs flying around from this side but we get an uninterrupted view of the suspension this way. My vote is Non Driveside personally.

 Just put a mirror behind the bikes!

 what about ... wait for it ... 2 cameras?

 @robt78: High speed cameras are VERY expensive to rent. I forget which model they use here.

 @hamncheez, we use a Phantom. And yes, definitely not cheap to rent.

 @hamncheez: one camera, two hucks!

 @Notmeatall: broken ankles are expensive

 I feel so bad for Mike, having to be the face of the overt promoting in each of these value bike videos.

I understand why "they do it", and why Mike does it. But it certainly doesn't make me want to pay for Beta/Outside+/TrailforksPro/whatever. Kind of the opposite actually.

 Serious question, why is it called Beta? Thats the worst name I can think of. "Failure", "Second Place", etc are all better.

 @paulwatt:

I agree, he's doing a great job of it for what it is .

And I don't begrudge him especially, or really even outside/Beta for doing it (I mean they bought pinkbike to make money).

Its just a lot more in your face than it was before, which doesn't resonate with me personally is all.

 @hamncheez: Beta seems to be slang for "intel". e.g. "Does anyone have beta on that new zone?" I hear it in backcountry skiing. I'm not sure what the origins of it are

 @Kruton: I ski too, and I've never heard it used that way.

 @hamncheez: Beta is also a common term in rock climbing. Asking for approach beta or route beta is just asking for the details on how to find or climb something.

 @Kruton: What? You never heard of Betamax? Sony's high quality home video recorder. Hence the allusion to having pre-recorded, advance knowledge.

Ooh, now I feel even older than I am. Party on, young Americans.

 @hamncheez: They published some nonsensical release when they named it. I hear it’s a big term in the climbing world, which makes perfect sense for a mountain bike publication.

I’ve been through this one a couple times now. But yeah, the name baffles me as well. Best of luck to them.

 ^^^ Can we get the huck to flat over the Mini again, please?? @mikekazimer

 @dbullmtb, I'm not sure if the Mini actually runs anymore.

 The mini can be stationary, that would be acceptable, but the jump through a flaming hoop has to still be there.

 The drop height looked pretty small tbh.

 because "value" != "walmart" level bike

 @valrock: I'm sure that's a reference to this.

 @mi-bike: The one where the crank snapped wasn't exactly huge either. And that single crank arm probably cost as much as one of these bikes.

 @mi-bike: Agree, 1st thing a noticed. the ramp is smaller.

 This what we’re calling a huck these days?

 I think they are dropping air pressures for the test

 @flattire: Beta version of the old huck to flat for sure

 Due to inflation, the previous huck height of 1 metre has been reduced to 600mm.

 Agreed.

 *You're. You're welcome.

 You know what I mean

 @bigtim: *My welcome

 still recovering from last time

 probably wasn't interested in corporate employments.

 He's back at IFHT and Mahalo My Dude on YouTube it looks kike

 After snapping his ankles on one too many crank failures, he was like, “You can take your huck-to-flat nonsense and stick it where the sun don’t shine.”

 I thought that was interesting as well. The Specialized seemed to do it the least.

 almost like the tire is a component of suspension.

Makes me wonder if the shocks that "2 stage" are better or worse than those that smoothly absorbs until bottom out.

 It's that timeless rule again: Strong, light, cheap: choose two.

 @barp: Maybe that should be revised to 'strong, light, cheap - pick one', cos the higher end stuff ain't cheap and they ain't necessarily strong!

 @whistlingcoyote: Haha, you're not wrong!

 This! What's the purpose of all this??

 Probably in the millions assuming they aren't damaged by a crash.

 @Snowytrail: yep, yield strength vs critical strength

 They should last until about 5 times after they're sold on the after market, or TPC :-) Jk.

 At least long enough to make it onto Pinkbikes buy-sell pages.

 @cogsci: Uh... yield means permanent deformation - so we can't send forks to yield or they won't telescope anymore. It's a term best used for Fe based alloys, most other metal based alloys use an equivalent 0.2% Proof stress to approximate permanent deformation.

Certainly nowhere near 'critical strength' - for Al based alloys, would have to be a very low percentage of that figure. Guessing 30-50%

 I don’t know, I’ve had forks that are 8-10 years old work just fine… so lots and lots for a pretty long time?

 Underrated comment.