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First Ride: 2024 Trek Slash

Sep 7, 2023
by Dario DiGiulio  
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It's been a few years since the Slash saw a revamp, and given the recent development of the Session high-pivot frame, this new take on Trek's long travel all-mountain bike shouldn't come as much of a surprise. As those of you with a crystal ball or skilled intuition might have guessed, the Slash has gone the way of the idler, now featuring a high main pivot and all the spinny bits that accompany such changes.

There's a lot more to this bike than just some extra drivetrain complexity though, with frame, specification, and kinematics all seeing broad changes for the new model. The team at Trek went through all the details of the bike in an attempt to create the most capable pedal-friendly bike they could, and the results have been impressive so far.
Slash Details

• Carbon or Aluminum frame
• Full 29" or mixed wheel size
• Size S full-27.5" only
• Progression flip chip
• 170mm travel, frame & fork
• 63.5° head angle
• 77° seat angle
• 488mm reach, size L
• Size-specific chainstay length
• Measured weight: 36.4lbs w/ pedals
• $4,400-$11,500 USD
trekbikes.com


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Still has good lines.

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Even if things are a little wild back here.
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Gears.

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Behold, the final boss of geometry charts. The cells highlighted in yellow are the geometries you'll get with a fully-stock complete bike. Hopefully Trek will have their geometry calculator done fairly soon, as that's a better way to play with all the options.

Geometry

Given the various adjustments you can make to the new Slash, the geometry can take a few different forms depending on where you end up in the array. Stock geo - as the complete bikes ship - is a good starting point, as it's the mode in which most people will first experience the bike.

In that stock setup, the Slash is carefully progressive, with reaches ranging from 430mm on a Small to 513mm on an Extra Large. My size Large features a 488mm reach, paired with a nice and tall 641mm stack height. 27mm of bottom bracket drop (measured below a virtual plane at the front axle, I presume) means the bike has a very upright feel to it. The chainstays grow with each size increment, landing at 434mm on the Large. It's important to remember that due to the high pivot suspension layout, that rear-center length will grow as the suspension compresses.

The wheel size adjustments do change the geometry slightly, mostly in the lengths between various points, but the key adjustment comes in the form of the press-in headset cups. Like the Fuel EX before it, the new Trek Slash now allows the end user to change the head angle of the frame by 1°, be it steeper or slacker than the stock 63.5°. Doing so creates a whole host of other small geometry changes, but the primary and most noticeable will be that steering angle.

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Plus or minus a degree out front.
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Not conservative, but not crazy.

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Cheeky little fender.
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And some serious frame protection.

Frame Features

The Slash has no shortage of clever features, but there are a few core points worth focusing on. The first is the headset cups mentioned above, as they're a completely new addition to the Slash model range. Also in the adjustability realm are the lower shock mounts, which can be swapped out to accommodate a 29" rear wheel. Nestled in those shock mounts is the suspension progression flip chip, allowing you to tune how linear your shock progression is with one simple bolt.

Of course, there's Trek's take on the in-frame storage system, adorably named BITS. Their latch is one of the most secure I've tried, and has a fairly large opening for tools and spares to slide through. This is available on both the carbon and aluminum models.

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We love the hatch.
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Chain slap and whip protection.

The carbon frame features an extra protective layer of composite on the underside of the downtube, specifically engineered to keep that area safe from rock strikes and other impact damage. In addition to that, there's a dual-density rubber protector underneath the bottom bracket and downtube, as well as in a smaller area above to protect from shuttle pad damage.

The elevated chainstay is wrapped in a molded rubber creation meant to protect from chainslap noise, while also keeping the chain in line in rough descents. That piece, in tandem with the lower chain roller, should be able to tame the drivetrain as you huck your meat down the hill.

Lastly, most of the complete builds come with a little multitool that stashes away in your steer tube, and includes most of the things you might need to get out of trouble trailside. From a 3mm to a chain breaker, there's a good amount packed into that handy little gadget.

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High or low progression mode.
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ABP + beep boop.

Suspension Design

Trek is sticking with their tried and true Active Braking Pivot for the new Slash, but adding the high-pivot twist they developed for the new Session downhill bike. The high main pivot location allows for a rearward wheel path, which should make for a smoother feel over trail chatter and square edge hits, as well as adding a longer balance point to the back of the bike as you get deeper in travel. To mitigate the pedal kickback that comes along with that higher pivot, they've added a 19-tooth idler wheel to the mix, which tempers that chain elongation. Trek also decided to spec a lower roller, as the chain would otherwise only contact a few teeth on the chainring at a time, increasing wear and decreasing the stability of the drivetrain.

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The main pivot and all its friends.

Pedaling forces are kept as consistent as possible on the Slash, with anti-squat hovering just above 100% throughout the travel. This even-keel should make for a bike that pedals smoothly and comfortably over rough and smooth terrain alike, striking a nice balance between bump absorption and efficiency.

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Leverage ratio.
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Wheel path.

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Anti-rise.
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Anti-squat.

Build Kits

As a large player in the bike market, Trek isn't afraid to drop a whole bunch of spec options, and that's very much their approach with the Slash. With seven different build kits, and prices ranging from $4,400 to $11,500 USD, there should be something for most people out there. You can also buy the Slash as a frame-only kit, with the shock, idler, and other accoutrement included with the carbon or aluminum chassis. Pricing on that will be available later, but the full-build price breakdown is below.

Slash 8 B.jpeg
Slash 8 // $4,400 USD, $5,650 CAD. Aluminum frame, Fox Rhythm 36 fork and Float X shock, Shimano XT/Deore drivetrain, Shimano 4-piston brakes, Bontrager Line 30 alloy wheels.
Slash 9 A.jpeg
Slash 9 GX T-Type // $5,800 USD, $7,450 CAD. Aluminum frame, RockShox Zeb Select+ fork and Vivid S+ shock, GX T-Type drivetrain, SRAM Code Bronze brakes, Bontrager Line 30 alloy wheels.
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Slash 9.8 GX T-Type // $8,000 USD, $10,000 CAD. Carbon frame, RockShox Zeb Select+ fork and Vivid S+ shock, GX T-Type drivetrain, SRAM Code Bronze brakes, Bontrager Line 30 carbon wheels.
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Slash 9.8 XT // $7,400 USD, 9,600 CAD. Carbon frame, RockShox Zeb Select+ fork and Vivid S+ shock, Shimano XT drivetrain, Shimano XT brakes, Bontrager Line 30 carbon wheels.
Slash 9.9 XTR B.jpeg
Slash 9.9 XTR // $9,600 USD, $12,500 CAD. Carbon frame, RockShox Zeb Ultimate fork and Vivid Ult shock, Shimano XTR drivetrain, Shimano XTR brakes, Bontrager Line 30 carbon wheels.
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Slash 9.9 XO T-Type // $9,400 USD, $12,000 CAD. Carbon frame, RockShox Zeb Ultimate fork and Vivid Ult shock, XO T-Type drivetrain, SRAM Code Silver brakes, Bontrager Line 30 carbon wheels.
Slash 9.9 XX AXS A.jpeg
Slash 9.9 XX T-Type // $11,500 USD, $14,900 CAD. Carbon frame, RockShox Zeb Ultimate fork and Vivid Ult shock, XX T-Type drivetrain, SRAM Code Ultimate brakes, Bontrager Line 30 carbon wheels.

Ride Impressions

I've been riding a Slash with the 9.9 X0 build for a bit over a month now, and have been mighty comfortable on the bike pretty much from the get-go. The geometry is pretty close to what I'd choose if I were slated with drawing up a bike with this application, with a nice and balanced feel in an overall aggressive package. Handling feels intuitive and easy, both on steep descents and when you're pedaling and pumping through more technical terrain.

The rear suspension works nicely, allowing the bike to move through square edge hits, and sticking to the ground when you drop the anchor and lock up the brakes. That combo makes for a very confidant-feeling ride, one that I've come to enjoy on some of the most serious trails in the area.

Climbing is a pleasant but moderately-paced activity aboard the Slash, as the bike hovers nicely between supportive and active as you spin your way up the hill. While not feeling like the peppiest thing out there, it does get up the hill fairly easily, and feels especially well-suited to more technical climbs.

The drivetrain makes more noise than a standard chainring-cassette-derailleur layout, but remains smooth and silent if you stay on top of your lubrication duties. I haven't noticed a discernible amount of drag, but according to Seb's calculations there is probably a little bit there.

On the descents, the Slash is mostly silent, save for two noises I have yet to pinpoint. One is just some run-of the mill chain slap, which bikes of this layout seem more prone to, given the chain path; the other is only noticeable occasionally, and will take some doing to hunt down. Suffice to say, the bike has mostly been excellent, and I'm looking forward to giving it a lot more use.

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Stay tuned for the long term review on the Trek Slash, as well as a multi-bike relative comparison coming in the near future.

For more photos of the Slash, head on over to the album here.




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388 Comments
  • 320 6
 Lol - they need to Slash those prices...
  • 95 5
 Forreal. Why are Treks the same price as Yetis now? $2,800 for an alloy frame when the Stumpy Evo alloy frame is $1,200 and the carbon one is $2,200 rn.
  • 116 6
 @succulentsausage:

Probably because Trek was better at forecasting a market downturn resulting in significantly reduced demand, and didn't order 10000000000000 extra bikes this year that they now need to dump asap before they're outdated.

Specialized's loss is your gain if you have the money to buy one of those puppies right now.
  • 99 4
 On the same day YT drops a top spec bike for $1500 more than this frame only.
  • 50 12
 @succulentsausage: You're comparing deeply discounted prices on an older bike with retail prices for a brand new bike. That's not a fair comparison. If you compare retail pricing, the numbers are very close. As a side note, you can't find those deeply discounted Spec frames anymore outside of XS and XXL.

There will undoubtedly be a new Stumpy Evo and/or Enduro soon, and we can expect the prices to be pretty comparable.
  • 14 22
flag Glory831Guy (Sep 7, 2023 at 10:43) (Below Threshold)
 It will be interesting to see how sales of high end pedal-bikes compare to full suspension E bikes in the years to come. I have a decently modern enduro bike, and I would have a really hard time justifying a bike like this VS something like a YT decoy.
  • 26 1
 8k for the cheapest carbon lol
  • 25 1
 They’re not going to sell many in this bike economy at these prices
  • 35 8
 @jerrytek: whoa whoa whoa. Let’s not bring context and other relevant information into this.
  • 23 13
 @jerrytek: How is that an unfair comparison though? Both are premium products from premium manufacturers, both are in the same category and both are available at the same time. I'd say it's a perfectly viable point of comparison.
  • 7 8
 @Glory831Guy: There are already a few ebikes (YT as you mentioned, Scott, Fezzari, Vitus to name a few) that are cheaper or same price with a better or comparable spec to non-bikes. It's a good time to be biking for sure!
  • 21 2
 @William42: 10k for a bike with code R and select+ ... i think there is more than just forecasting the market here.
  • 2 1
 @William42: Stumpy evo alloy was still 1,800 pre-pandemic. Went up to $2k during which is the normal going rate for an alloy frame.
  • 2 1
 @jerrytek: Pretty much every other alloy all mountain/enduro frame is around $2K. Stumpy Evo was $1,800 when it came out and went up to around $2k during covid.
  • 9 1
 @bikeblur: bonus points to Fezzari for offering an e-bike frameset option.
  • 6 0
 Trek seems to be going for the lucrative dentist market
  • 16 8
 @Muscovir: The deeply discounted frames that are being discussed are basically out of stock everywhere or will be soon. Trek is not going to price it's just newly launched framesets at the prices that Specialized is using to blow out old/overbought stock, especially when said stock will be gone soon and especially when those bikes are about to be replaced. Trek will be selling this gen 6 Slash for a number of years, they're not going to 'slash' their launch price to be competitive with a limited quantity of closeout frames from one competitor.
  • 4 6
 Don't you feel like a try-hard riding a bike that's so complicated?
  • 7 1
 @btjenki: well, on the bc coast here just about every bike in every size is heavily discounted. And we’re heading into the low sales seasons. So I don’t expect it will stop.
  • 3 1
 @William42: Carbon Stumpjumper frame was 2700.00 usd full retail before they lowered the prices. Significantly lower than anything comparable.
  • 10 2
 Too bad they can't compare old vs new back to back. I have the old, 2022 version and its awesome. This high pivot seems like a bridge too far. Theres no way its as poppy and fun as the old one. Definitely not trading in mine for more pedal resistance and moving parts. If i need more traction ill get a coil shock
  • 1 0
 @jerrytek: go look at MSRP. This is still laughable
  • 6 0
 @William42: not ordering excessive quantities explains why they haven't any bargains on offer, but it doesn't explain why their prices for these models are so high.
  • 5 0
 @William42: Not true, at least not in Europe. Trek suffered a massive oversupply of bikes last year.
  • 3 1
 @succulentsausage: never thought I’d see the day when Spesh is one of the best deals on the market!
  • 2 0
 @jerrytek: www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-evo-expert/p/200531?color=349346-200531
I dunno dude, seems like they've got quite a few sizes left, as long as you're cool riding a white bike.

Aluminum comp version is also $1k off and all sizes available.
  • 3 0
 In fairness the slash 8 is priced $200 above the comparable Fuel EX8. Though I do wish they specced it with a Zeb or a 38.
  • 2 3
 @Dogl0rd: Whats so complicated about it?
  • 3 0
 @bikeblur: Whoah! Hold up hoss. Did you just call my mtb a non-bike!?!
Smile
  • 2 2
 @onawalk: you're right it could be more complicated if it had a switch infinity
  • 2 2
 @Dogl0rd: Just wondering what it is that makes this so complicated for you?

the idler, the midish high pivot, the chain guide?
Its just a four bar link bike really
  • 1 1
 @onawalk: you mean 2 idlers
  • 3 2
 @Dogl0rd: sure,
That’s what you find so complicated,
So basically any current DH bike?
  • 2 1
 @onawalk: if it has one idler, probably. If it has 2, definitely.
  • 2 1
 @onawalk: if you have all those idlers and you still don't win the race you are definitely going to be more depressed than the guy next to you who also lost, but doesn't have to deal with those idlers
  • 2 1
 @onawalk: you're going to get home and your mom is gonna be like, "hey little Johnny how was your ride? You have all those idlers now, it must have been great!" And then you're gonna have to tell her that you still didn't win even though you paid for those extra chain links that were supposed to rid the world of bumps once and for all
  • 1 0
 I walked into a local Trek shop today and I felt bad even asking about the new bike, seeing as they had 5 previous Gen Slashes on the floor still. Ouch!!

Sales guy told me " Yeah, those juuust came out, I'll probably end up ordering some."
  • 4 1
 @Dogl0rd: I guess all i can do is wish you good luck out there, if a sceond idler wheel is the breaking point for on the road to confusion.
a steel hardtail, or maybe an Orange might be to your liking?
  • 2 0
 @taskmgr: Im still riding and racing the 2020 Slash 9.9. I also have a 2021 Slash 9.8. The 2020 geo is very light, poppy and pedals / climbs. efficient . The next gen 2021 slash felt like the brakes were dragging compared to the 2020. Same build on both bikes. I sold the 2021 Frame as I prefer how the 2020 Slash rides. I assume the 2024 will be similar to the 2021~23 efficiency wise.
  • 6 1
 @onawalk: there are some suspension designs that allow for a rear shock and do not require 2 idlers, many people find them satisfactory and continue to ride them this very day
  • 4 0
 Yeah top dog build for just shy of $20k in New Zealand pesos… that’s crazy talk from Trek.
  • 1 4
 @Dogl0rd: Of course, I ride one myself.
we also used to ride single pivot URT's that were touted as the best thing available, same with single pivots like the Bullit. Dont see them around too much anymore.
Most people dont seem to find a standard Horst link bike too complicated, not sure why the addition of an idler has you bothered.
The lower one is just there like a chaingiude, you know, like on pretty well any DH bike ever built.

Youll be ok, maybe give one a try, you might enjoy it
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: 2 idlers! I would enjoy it, you're right, but I'm not sure how I feel about owning one
  • 1 2
 @Dogl0rd: The top one isnt technically an idler, as it has an effect on suspension. The lower, is simply a guide wheel, so you can can call that an idler, but its really just a guide.

good thing is you dont have to own one, but trying one, or any HP, idler equipped bike, on really rough terrain can be pretty eye opening.
  • 4 0
 @onawalk: it's okay to be happy with what you have Smile
  • 311 138
 Sorry Trek fans but that is seriously ugly.
  • 262 25
 I'm not a trek guy, but I actually think it looks great. To each his own I guess.
  • 23 7
 @danielfloyd: indeed.
  • 28 70
flag jaame (Sep 7, 2023 at 8:34) (Below Threshold)
 Just, no. Anyone thinking of buying one because it will make you faster, don't do it. Train, have some coaching, take some days to go on a riding holiday.
  • 32 21
 I think it's the best looking one they've ever made for sure!
  • 9 5
 Treks have never been the prietiest but seem to be popular and work well, quite excited by a more main stream mid-high pivot though, even if i'd much rather buy the similar but much prettier Hope HB916
  • 9 7
 @danielfloyd: I agree. Old model was ugly and boring IMO...this thing is actually interesting and checks a lot of boxes. Its not too different than the new IBIS...but that is a easy no given no frame storage for me. Idler is kinda the wildcard here....I don't know, Dario didn't seem to impressed but perhaps thats just his demeanor.
  • 22 3
 @BermJunky High pivot frames usually are.
  • 10 5
 thats what happens when all the company does is copy everyone else's great idea and make it their own
  • 7 2
 In a world of ebikes that owners say are cool and beautiful ,every other bike it´s a beauty Big Grin
  • 18 3
 Trek fan and I hate it. Looks like I will 100% be keeping my previous-gen Slash.
  • 8 0
 At least it doesn't look like a session.
  • 21 1
 The frame storage is a nice option, but Forbidden, Deviate, and Norco make much better looking HP bikes IMO.
  • 11 0
 Front triangle looks fine, but the high pivot business throws the whole thing off, I'll give ya that. Not a trek fan but I think it's silly to worry much about how a bike looks. Any bike looks rad when ridden radly.
  • 3 3
 Usually Trek has better color schemes than what they are offering here. All the money is going to the fancy linkages.
  • 11 6
 Honestly Surprised to see these reactions! I am not really a trek fan but gahhhhh damn.. This bike is Sick! its like my perfect bike...
  • 10 8
 Compared to what? What makes a “pretty” or “beautiful” mountain bike?

If it performs, that’s what counts. Engineering should always come before design.

Otherwise, you end up with chainstay mounted u brakes, upward bowed top tubes and cable tourism.

I suspect this thing is a purebred race weapon for people who race enduros, and a decent park sled to boot. And that’s what should matter.
  • 5 1
 based on your up/down votes it's definitely polarizing!

But what's with that fender? It looks like the one on my wife's townie.
And integrated stem/bars? pass.
  • 3 20
flag flattire (Sep 7, 2023 at 12:32) (Below Threshold)
 Woo cares its a bike and meant to be enjoyed and ridden. Stop staring at it and go ride. Millennials....sheesh!
  • 3 20
flag flattire (Sep 7, 2023 at 12:32) (Below Threshold)
 Who cares its a bike and meant to be enjoyed and ridden. Stop staring at it and go ride. Millennials....sheesh!
  • 14 1
 @flattire: I am no Millennial, but I do care what my bike looks like. If i'm dropping 7-9k on a bike it better be pleasing to the eyes and perform at the highest standards.

That's like saying I don't care what my car or truck looks like because it performs well.
  • 2 0
 @jaame: but what if you've done all that, and are in the market for a new bike anyway?
  • 2 1
 To me, this bike looks better than anything Trek has ever done before. They obviously can't help that the huge rear mech (and cage in particular) makes the bike look like an (unsuitably spec'd) little kids' bike.
  • 9 3
 Still better looking than an Ibis
  • 7 0
 @matyk: The new HD6 is pretty clean tho..
  • 5 2
 @matyk: That's a pretty low bar.
  • 2 0
 It looks like it was on a roof rack and crashed into a parking garage. Yet, I still kinda want it. I have problems, I know.
  • 1 1
 Agreed. I can be convinced that high-pivot is the future, but so far nobody's made one that looks all that good. Not the first thing I think of when buying, but also maybe not quite the last.
  • 3 2
 your face is seriously ugly
  • 2 1
 @DJ21111111: bahahahahaha
  • 5 0
 @Snowsed341:
Absolutely agree, there's no reason why a HP bike needs to have that clumsy looking rear end. Deviate and Norco to a far better job as you've stated.
  • 3 0
 Fugly was my first thought
  • 2 0
 @mthamster: I dunno one of the reasons I got a Deviate Claymore is because I thought it looked awesome and I wanted to try a high pivot .
  • 2 0
 @danctm: same with me and the Highlander. The rear still looks like a bike without the somewhat clumsy looking rears of some high pivot bikes.
  • 2 0
 @Snowsed341: everyone born between 1981 and 1996, at 41, you are millennial Smile
  • 3 1
 @bemix: I wish the millennial category extended to 2000. I hate being grouped in with Gen Z. Other than age, I feel like I have nothing in common with these clowns.
  • 6 0
 @bemix: Ah, labeling people and designating them to strict boxes defined by absolute numbers. There are some people out there who must love that.
  • 1 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: still don't buy this because it looks like a relic from 2006!
  • 2 1
 @bemix: I have heard of the generation "xennial" which means people between Gen X and millennials. They have worked their entire working lives in the digital age, but also went through higher education without being connected. Hence they kind of bridge the two.
  • 2 0
 @bemix: I understand that but in no way possible does someone born in 1996 and someone born in 1982 have a similar up bringing. If you were born in 1996 you don't even know what a cassette or VCR player is.
Dial up internet, we didnt have cell phones etc

I mean to classify us in the same group is kind of silly. Also those classifications vary depending on who you talk too.
  • 1 1
 @Snowsed341: for sure, i was just sarcastic, i am also millennial at 41, nah, i am OG millennial Smile

@danielfloyd : they are not all clowns, they are just reflection of present day. Me and old geezer Snowsed341 have been iritating previous generation also, Smile

@vinay : yup, not one of them, just checking PB pulse Smile
  • 1 0
 @jaame: for some of us, 2006 way the hey day of our riding lives. Maybe we want it. Then again, it's not got a motor so our knees can't handle it.
  • 3 0
 @bemix: Yeah, it probably also depends on so much more. Where you grew up, how much money your family had (like being able to buy the latest and greatest or stick with the older stuff until the prices for new tech have come down). And even taste. The music you happened to love in the '90s and '00s, was it being released on vinyl or not? Plus everything comes with a counter-culture. People too hung up on labels and boxes are too simplistic to comprehend variety and reality.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: ma man, i was kid in then war infested Yugoslavia, my parents were dead broke, living in refugee camp, when people get CDs i got casette, when they get DVDs i got CDs and so for. Everything i have now i am gratefull for. Life is fist full of tears and the bag full of laughter as one of our greatest late singer use to sing.
  • 2 0
 @bemix: Yeah man, living up in The Netherlands (born in 1979) that war was a reality check in my teen years. It appeared everything was going to be fine in Europe. The WOII was history, the wall had just gone down, cold war finished and nuclear weapons being dismanteled and the people in the former USSR were gradually getting more freedom and access to everything. And then, bam: concentration camps, villages being murdered back and forth... Happy for you that Croatia finished the whole thing relatively early on (as it still appears to be smothering every now and then in Bosnia and Serbia). But yeah, that war definitely was what burst my bubble at the time. And putting that in perspective, the latest tech doesn't really matter that much does it? A good tune on cd is still a good tune on cassette.
  • 2 0
 @vinay: true that man, good tune is always good no matter Smile
  • 1 0
 @BermJunky: hee hee hee
  • 170 0
 Headset cups instead of cable tourism we like dat sheeeeit
  • 18 0
 succulentsausage knows where it's at
  • 12 0
 On paper this bike looks pretty dialed.
  • 1 1
 cable tourismist!
  • 142 1
 On a bike with 1,000 different potential frame geometry configurations, they spec integrated bars with literally zero adjustability. #nailedit
  • 8 0
 Dario seems to have promptly discarded them.
  • 7 0
 Looks like it's just the top couple spec bikes... but ya, weird
  • 78 0
 $9,600 with RS Select+ suspension… Yikes.
  • 33 4
 To be fair the zeb select+ is an ultimate without the buttercups, which are of questionable benefit anyways.
  • 3 1
 @ranchitup: also comes with the Vivid Air Select+, but not sure what that loses compared to the ultimate (haven't looked).
  • 3 0
 @coloradohaze: no HSC, seems that's it.
  • 5 1
 @ranchitup: at 9600, I see the XTR build 9.9 with RS Ultimate suspension.. Or drop a couple hundred and get the XO build...
  • 1 0
 @ranchitup: the buttercups ride quieter FWIW
  • 2 7
flag lkubica (Sep 8, 2023 at 0:48) (Below Threshold)
 We have a local Trek reseller who happens to be a really really fast guy (wins all local races in his category) and under his promotional insta of this new bike somebody asked "how do you like RS suspension" and the reply was like "I strongly prefer Fox". So ... it's was like - the bike is amazing, but the suspension leave much to be desired (to be polite).
  • 2 0
 @lkubica: I've ridden a good amount of RS and Fox stuff and they're honestly pretty similar these days.

In general I'd say that Fox is better for heavier riders and Rockshox is better for lighter riders. Fox has a little bit firmer compression feel and slower rebound, and Rockshox is a bit less supportive with faster rebound.
  • 69 6
 Looks like a Spartan
  • 18 0
 This comment makes me want to buy a Devinci.
  • 1 0
 I guess you'd know better, but my first thought was Chainsaw.
  • 1 0
 @CarbonShmarbon: the Chainsaw’s a tiny bit more gravity-oriented, to be fair. But yes, i’d prefer a Chainsaw instead of the Slash! Smile
  • 35 0
 A comment on Trek in general: love seeing the M/L size option. As someone who constantly ends up between sizes this feels like it nails the sizing for a lot of folks.
  • 6 1
 Yet somehow I still end up between sizes
  • 1 1
 @ranchitup: 48 reach should be an standard.
  • 1 3
 @ranchitup: Maybe you should consider yourself lucky that you can chose between two sizes, while others don't get to choose.
  • 33 0
 That swingarm looks like it's made out of Lego Technic.
  • 28 0
 Didn't expect Trek to go for something this 'out there', but if it works? Interesting to see how those dual idlers last!
  • 12 2
 the bottom pulley is just a chain tensioner
  • 6 5
 @Lanob: No it's not, it is solid
  • 2 11
flag notthatfast (Sep 7, 2023 at 10:29) (Below Threshold)
 @fred-frod:
Wrong.
  • 3 0
 @notthatfast: Check the manual it is fixed to the frame.
  • 1 0
 @Lanob: no its fixed
  • 30 4
 Hope HB916 has nearly identical geometry and specs, made in UK, looks way better, and comes with full Hope/Ohlins kit from the factory for LESS money than the top Trek build. Shop wisely my friends.
  • 23 1
 The one everyone was taking the piss out of in the recent review here?
  • 20 1
 Ah yes, the bike with the seatstay bridge that hits the seattube at bottom out
  • 8 1
 Yeah, what these other guys said… and also, how does “made in the UK” benefit me? Why in the hell does that make a difference?
  • 1 0
 @TheR: well it makes a negative difference quite often
  • 25 4
 The slash 8 seems like a lot of bike for the money... it would be tough for me to say confidently that upgrades in all areas would lead to a bike that was more then 10% better. It's also nice to see press in headsets used here... I am having a hard time figuring out why mfg's were hell bent on integrated headsets now that stack heights are turning reasonable. We have plenty of extra head tube length room to play where an extra 7-10mm for press in cups and oem mfg geo adjustability (or aftermarket like a wolftooth headset) seem like a great value over the long term to consumers.

This bike is intriguing... I'm not usually a trek guy but this thing checks many boxes:
-no headset cable routing
-pressed in cups and threaded bb
-progressive, yet sensible geometry allowing for a well rounded bike
-smart frame details: downtube storage, good protection
-reasonably priced models available
-not offensive yet not overly boring frame colors
-
  • 19 9
 $4500 for a sub-par alloy frame and mediocre component specs? Is that really what you call great value for money? With brands like Canyon and YT this kinda money gets you a carbon frame and better specs.
  • 15 1
 @Muscovir: sub par aluminum? Lolz
  • 8 1
 @Muscovir: I take it you’ve already seen the alloy version up close?
What is it exactly that makes it sub par?
  • 3 0
 @Muscovir: Canyon and YT don’t offer a high-pivot. And to some, the downhill benefits of a high-pivot design outgun the 2%-increase in drag when pedaling uphill! Wink
  • 2 0
 @Corinthian: Most companies design their frames for carbon and then some poor sod has to quickly adapt that design to aluminium while keeping cost to the bare minimum.

That’s why the alu versions are usually pig heavy, not pretty and sometimes have design flaws that the carbon versions don’t show.
  • 23 1
 Looks rad. The prices though. How companies can justify charging the same prices for a mountain bike as a brand new motorcycle is beyond me. Hard pass
  • 4 0
 Yes. This bike looks awesome. My 2019 high-end carbon bike retailed for around $5000 tho.

And as a moto rider, I'm like: "Dang I can get a lot of motorcycle for that money, and just ride and older bicycle.

Also, I need to replace my 25 year old truck someday, haha.
  • 7 0
 @axleworthington: exactly
I was looking at new Triumphs and they’re the same or less than any of these higher spec’d bikes
Like, how is something that’s got a gazzilion rotating parts centred around a controlled explosion the same as a bicycle?
Personally I think it’s been years of slick marketing by companies like Trek and Specialized that have slowly driven up the subjective value of these toys and now no one bats an eye over spending 10k plus on a 30 something lb piece of plastic and all other companies have followed suit
  • 24 1
 $8000 for the 9.8 and it comes with a select+ fork. Crazy.
  • 6 9
 I'm not a fan of the pricing either, but you know the difference to the ultimate suspension is very small?
  • 15 1
 @pAzk: if you're paying 8 grands you'd hope they don't cheap out.. but they do. there's plenty of better deals these days anyway so meh
  • 19 0
 "the bike has mostly been excellent" seems disappointing to have the word "mostly" when talking about a 1 month old $10,000 bike.
  • 14 0
 To me it is pretty dissappointing that the chain rubs the chainstay and seat stay protection in the 10t sprocket especially on a 10k bike.
  • 2 0
 @93EXCivic: yeah thats pretty bad
  • 21 0
 Needs more idlers!!!
  • 18 0
 GX cranks look like they came straight out of a kinder surprise egg in those build kit pictures, don’t know that they thought with that color
  • 20 2
 It is ugly, heavy, noisy, and overpriced. Seems like moving 20 years backwards.
  • 19 1
 I wonder what Diamond Back has been up to
  • 14 2
 Interesting that this is landing on the front page the same day YT's Capra Uncaged 12 does. Sure, the Capra is a years old design and doesn't have the fancy high pivot (and some other issues) - but if you look at value, it's hard to ignore that. And when there's a new Capra (these special editions are classic late model cycle sales tactics) in a year or so, I'm sure it'll catch up a fair bit on geometry and linkage performance. During the pandemic, everyone's pricing went apeshit for all the well documented reasons. Then we had everyone blowing stuff out at firesale prices (well, that's still happening, only not with the stuff you really want). But we're back in a place where the DTC companies are offering a pretty compelling value proposition (check out what YT, Canyon, and Fezzari have on their sites right now...), and frankly, Trek (with its corporate stores) is not exactly a mainstay of the LBS model anymore.
  • 3 1
 Yeah seriously I thought the same thing. If I was in the market for an enduro bike on a budget the YT is definitely a top choice. Plus I don’t think think Trek has any podium level enduro racers on this new Slash in EDR. YT and Canyon do.
  • 14 0
 Weight with chain stay protector = 35lbs
Weight without chain stay protector = 32lbs
  • 9 0
 Rear tire is about to be buzzing the hell out of that lower idler anytime you land slightly sideways - speaking from experience on a druid V1 - Forbidden is definitely going in the right direction finding ways to get rid of that.
  • 10 1
 The spec for the money is laughable. The advent of electronic shifting seems to mean that you're getting an alloy frame and lower level suspension (or both) at the 5-6k price point so it can have a fancy drivetrain. I sorely miss when 5-6k usually meant a carbon frame, top of the line suspension, and an okay drivetrain. Drivetrains wear and brake, I don't want a fancy one, I want it to be relatively durable and cheap to replace. It's nuts that building from the frame up seems to be the more economical approach these days.
  • 15 5
 I'm curious, does the saddle angle have to be like the one on the review bike? or can it be adjusted for normal humanoids like in the stock photos?
  • 13 6
 A normal seat angle prioritizes riding on flat land, not riding uphill. You should set your seat to be most comfortable for when seated riding is the most demanding: riding uphill.
  • 8 1
 Needs an Aenomaly switch grade.
  • 13 1
 Yes, the saddle angle has to be nose down. It comes like that and you cannot move it. They spec a special OEM Reverb with a non-adjustable saddle clamp. The bike as pictured is definitely NOT set up according to Dario's personal preference, it's just how the bike comes, and you're stuck with it.
  • 4 3
 @haen: nah set it for the downhills
  • 1 0
 @mjlee2003: lol. You riding seated on the downhill?!
  • 1 0
 @haen: whooosh
  • 1 0
 @BrambleLee: The way the good Lord intended!
  • 13 3
 I hope specialized doesn't go with an idler on the new enduro. There has to be a better way.
  • 2 2
 Got a Enduro on sale now for that very reason(humble brag). Afraid next gen enduro will jump on the high pivot bandwagon
  • 2 0
 @HughBonero: I don’t think it’s a band wagon. High pivots perform very well. But with that being said, I don’t think every bike needs to be one.
  • 1 0
 @densign: not even sure what a "bandwagon" is, sorry for poor choice of word. I'm trying to say high pivot DH bikes are proven winners. But the extra pulleys look like an unnecessary complication for trail and enduro. Horses for courses
  • 1 0
 @HughBonero: lol no worries. I agree, I definitely think it’s a cool thing for the industry to experiment with. Enduro bikes make sense to have a high pivot on them, but two pulleys seems a bit much.

Every company seems to be experimenting with “their own” version of a high pivot which is cool to see but
I think the majority of trail bikes don’t need it. Will be interesting to see where we end up 5 years from now.
  • 2 2
 Same here! I just bought a ‘23 Enduro Expert myself. Specialized doesn’t need 39 jockey wheels and 272 linkages to make a bike pedal well.

I owned an “older” Slash 8, and as good as it was it never pedaled as good as FSR bikes. The enduro even though “old” is a far superior pedaler.
  • 13 2
 Just keep getting heavier and heavier
  • 3 5
 This weight is pretty standard for an enduro bike nowadays.
  • 5 0
 Yup, I feel like we are missing progression in some ways, same as cars/motorsport, everything is stupid heavy, and the best thing for combating the effects of physics is low weight.
  • 5 0
 @densign: There is no way that bike weights 36.4 lbs. Put it on a real scale not a Bike Mfg scale.

Add pedals real tires toss the bar and stem and you got a 39.9999 lb bike just like every other 170mm bike.
  • 2 1
 @DG370: but riding is also progressing.. people are riding harder stuff and the bikes will get heavier to handle it.
  • 1 1
 Enduro bikes simply have gotten heavier. If you're a manufacturer and you want to make a frame that lasts longer and performs better, where you're not needing to warranty rear ends constantly, but the only way to do it is to overbuild certain parts of the bike making it heavier, wouldn't you do it?
  • 2 0
 @lumpy873: Indeed riding is progressing, but a carbon single crown bike should weigh more than a DH bike from yesteryear that would be easily strong enough for ‘super enduro’.
  • 1 4
 @noodlewitnosteeze: people who buy brand new bikes only usually run them for a year or two tops.
  • 1 1
 @DG370: Okay and? You wanna try selling said Enduro bike with a broken frame? Better yet you wanna buy an enduro bike used worrying about a cracked frame?
  • 3 0
 @DG370: Really? I guess I'm special, then. I buy new and run bikes for at least four or five years. So by the time I'm ready to turn that over, I feel good about the value I've gotten out of my purchase, and the new stuff on the market then feels like a real, noticeable upgrade. Most of my friends/riding buddies do the same thing. Given how many folks I see on bikes in that 3-5 year age range, at least around here, that seems to be common. But perhaps where and when I ride means I live in a little bubble. I certainly do NOT see a whole lot of people turning over their bikes every year, with the exception of the odd sponsored racer and of course LBS employees who try to maximize their discounts by turning a small profit on their bikes.
  • 1 0
 @lake-st: I got one and with pedals it came out to 35.15 lbs all said and done
  • 7 0
 The new Gen 6 is exactly the same price i bought my Gen 5 -23 Slash 8 for. So that's a good thing considering all the changes made. The bad thing it comes with FOX fork and shock and not the new Vivid. And it weights 1kg more than the old model. 1kg. So with a new wheelset and tires that actually can be ridden downhill, you are looking at a 18kg bike.
  • 5 0
 Why are all the new bikes sooooo heavy, look at what sort of riding counts as XC these days and how much they weigh, my 2020 full ally Bird Aeris AM9 with equivalent beefy build weighs 2.2lb less!!!!! I know the Slash is slightly longer travel but.
  • 3 0
 @DG370: Enduro bikes are basically super enduro bikes. Made for longevity and relatively decent durability for someone looking to smash trails. So weight has to be added to have components that can take a beating. Most pros racing enduro are in the mid to upper 30lb for their bikes. Check out the Wyn Masters video on him weighing bikes in the pits.
  • 1 0
 @densign: I get that, but the only potential difference I can see spec wise is this has a heavier fork - Zeb vs Mezzer.
All my components are equivalent or stronger than any of the above builds levels.
I just don’t see carbon as necessary seeing as saving weight isn’t the aim, do the planet a favour and make it out of one the most abundant and recyclable materials we have… aluminium.
  • 1 0
 @DG370: yeah I totally agree. Carbon in this case I don’t see any benefit. My Norco Sight is 38lbs with heavy casings, downhill rims and cushcore. If I did the same treatment to this new Slash I’d be well over 40lbs.
  • 6 0
 I know that it's common for the tippy-top halo build in a lineup to be, well, halo priced in a way that doesn't really mesh with the actual value of the spec. But the ~$9k XO transmission build with wireless dropper and carbon wheels is a full $2k less than the nearly identically specced $11k XX version, when the retail price difference between an X0 and XX groupset is what—400 bucks? 500 bucks? Uff da, that's nuts.

Edited to add: just checked the Trek website. Though it's not present in the pictures here or on the offical page, the spec sheet says that the XX also comes with a flight attendent fork, which, uh, okay. That still doesn't come close to justifying the price delta. Does anyone even want front-only flight attendant? Seems super dumb.
  • 2 0
 flight attendant
  • 8 0
 at least it doesn't have thru shaft or knock block. Both steps in the right direction.
  • 6 1
 I've been wanting to move up to a bigger bike than my ripmo. The ibis is so close, but even with a 170 on the front, the bike needs a bit more out back for my time in the park and most 170/160 bikes are quite slack or super long and the Slash actually looked spot on for my kind of riding. But things thing looks like total overkill and now I'm thinking I should start looking at grabbing an older gen frame this winter before they run out. Maybe the high pivots are great, but it just looks like bunch of added problems to me that I've not needed solving. Plus, I dig out the previous generation is more like a trail bike on steroids vs DH bike on a diet.
  • 2 0
 If you’re referring to 63.5 HA, I find this really nice with low offset forks and short stem, even handles switchbacks on climbs easy.
But you are bang on with length, don’t go too long on the overall wheelbase & reach and it all works real nice.
  • 2 1
 PS: you’re also right about the high pivot and more to go wrong, if your riding park / groomed trails where you’re not getting the back wheel hung up (EG need the rearward axle path) then stick to a conventional rear end.
  • 2 1
 @DG370: I should probably try a slacker bike before I got talking about them, haha. My bike is about 64.5ish with the 170 and I find the front end doesn't wanna hold as well than it did at 65ish. I mean it works, but not sure more slack is what I would choose. I find you need to be cognizant of being over the front more,which feels unnatural unless it's steep. and to be honest, I don't love sustained steeps.
  • 9 2
 Lovely bike, decent spec, but who the f*ck decided these hideous colour schemes of mud green and UK summer sky?
  • 9 0
 Looks like a Norco.
  • 7 1
 Prices are outrageous. And no carbon frame with alloy wheels? $4,400 for entry level spec?? Bikes looks cool and all but those prices are ridiculous compared to other brands
  • 5 1
 I’ve been a huge fan of Trek over the years but I’m not liking the look of this model, it’s also as silly looking as the fat ass rail which looks odd for a mtb.
Come on trek….the bike looks like it’s been built by my grandfather in his ghetto shed..
It’s looking like a Santa cruz to replace my loved slash
  • 8 4
 Oh would you look at that. Another bike by Trek that I'm not the least bit interested in.

Geometry looks sensible and it seems reasonably burly. But I couldn't be bothered to deal with that high-pivot idler nonsense even if I was paid for it. Plus, the bike is not exactly pretty. And those prices. Oh boy. Every single spec level looks like terrible value for money compared to the competitors offerings. I'm sorry, but if the cheapest bike in your line-up is $4500 and the cheapest with reasonable specs is almost $8k, you're out of your god damn mind.

All in all: Hard pass.
  • 7 0
 Someone please explain to me how a $15k bicycle could possibly be worth it.
  • 4 1
 The noise of a high pivot as you grind to the top just sounds like fatigue and unpleasantness. That has to take it tole on the full day of an enduro! I recon my fitness would give out before I got the benefit of the descending performance. New Druid looks sick though lol
  • 2 0
 I saw somewhere that Trek claim the two idlers will add at most 3% of effort on the climb. Which doesn't seem all that bad at first, until you start to think about whether that'll hold true only when the drivetrain is all nice and clean and freshy lubed. I'd think that on the last climb of a long day on wet/grimy trails, there'll be a fair bit more drag from this, and I'm sure it'll sound something awful...
  • 6 0
 I like it. I bet its a weapon.
  • 1 0
 @dhdustdoordash
  • 4 1
 To be fair, most things are. If used to cause bodily harm, a carrot or a dildo are considered weapons.
  • 2 0
 Nowhere in the article does it actually say this explicitly but as far as I know, this bike ships as a mullet, with the possibility of swapping to a 29er wheel yourself. Hopefully this is better clarified and the two wheel sizes compared in the long term review?
  • 2 0
 Check the yellow lines in the geo chart. Article says those are the shipped configs.
  • 4 1
 It's in the video, says sizes above S come as mullet convertible to 29 rear with an aftermarket linkage.
  • 3 0
 I'd just like to point out that the most exciting update is the relatively normal actual STA. They claimed that the effective STA on the last Slash was 75-76°, but with long legs it ended up waaay slacker than that.
  • 2 3
 I want an explanation on how leg length changes STA
  • 7 0
 @norkonalized117: it changes effective seat angle because actual angle is slacker than effective from the point they measure for geo tables. Therefore Put up your seat and angle decreases
  • 5 0
 Holy prices.... even making bikes like Atherton and Forbidden look like a steal
  • 5 0
 He called it a "SWAT" storage in the video. People at Trek are probably yelling at their laptop screens right now.
  • 4 0
 Bet he would've remembered and gotten it right if they'd gone with TITS.
  • 3 0
 With most recent enduro bikes I felt a desire to get one- build kits and prices put me off later. With this bike however- no emotion what-so-ever!?! Couldn’t care less for the design, the colors, the build kits.
  • 2 0
 Bought one , blinked and a new ones out. Happy with the Slash 8 I just got. It was cheap, now a new one comes out that I’ll never afford. Hello trials motorcycle next!. My new old trek will still get used though probably not replaced.
  • 6 1
 Looks alot like the Hope HB916!
  • 3 1
 Exactly what I thought too. Not many people mentioning it either and I believe it's more expensive then hopes bike too!
  • 5 1
 In a dark room maybe, the hope looks way better in every angle
  • 1 1
 @nicoenduro: yeah very true haha
  • 4 0
 Looks like the bastard ugly child of the Chainsaw and Spartan. The Devincis are just better looking bikes
  • 4 0
 At least if it's you riding it you don't have to look at it! That ain't pretty!
  • 5 0
 MTB same price the e-bikes????... Not for me
  • 1 0
 So true!
  • 4 0
 Sooo, we're looking at the intersection of:
- very rich,
- very fit,
- very willing to sweat your climbs.
Pass.
  • 5 2
 High pivot complexity, drag and more maintenance - what's not to like, especially the pricing. Again, the bike industry taking the piss.
  • 3 0
 Pretty glad I just bought a heavily discounted 2023 model. The changes (altough marginal imo) can be cool, but enough not for the price
  • 4 0
 Looks like….. there’s a lot going on!
  • 6 2
 people who ride trek bikes ski in jeans
  • 4 0
 Looks like the Devinci Spartan / Chainsaw.
  • 4 1
 It's really similar to the hope hb916. The rocker and mount and idler all look to be in the same place as on the hope.
  • 4 0
 Yikes, those prices, you know its bad when Yetis bikes are better priced
  • 5 1
 If I had that much to spend, I'd buy a bike from a cool brand.
  • 5 1
 why does trek always pick these old man colors?
  • 1 0
 How does the lower shock mount change work to go to full 29? From the geo chart that increases CS length. From looking at the frame it's hard to determine how changing the lower shock mount would increase rear end length.
  • 1 1
 Slash 8 looks like a great enduro race/park sled. The last couple generations of the Slash have moved it squarely from a big versatile bike to a race tool.

Should be a good privateer’s choice.

Props to Trek for sticking to a high(ish) end aluminum bikes-from the Émonda 8 to this!!!!
  • 2 0
 PB editors. big box brand puts an idler on their bike. editors this bike is awesome love what the big brands sre doing. biassssssss muchhhhhh?
  • 1 0
 to be fair this looks pretty well executed, not really a fan of idlers regardless
  • 1 0
 @housem8d: I agree 100%. just cant help myself throwing shade at this "editors" lol
  • 4 0
 One of those bikes we look back on and wonder what were they thinking?
  • 5 2
 At first glance it looks dated. Like the big old freeride frames from 2010s.. not for me
  • 1 0
 They should use a 1:1 axis scale on the 'Horizontal Chainstay Length' figure to represent rearward axle path. In reality the angle is aprox 10° from vertical.
  • 8 4
 Looks hideous…sorry…
  • 4 3
 first thoughts and feedback from industry i'll stay on my currant Slash with coil, mid/high pivot offers very little performance gains if any vs coil on rear.
  • 3 0
 its not just the high pivot, the bike has changed in all aspects
  • 3 1
 The front half of the bike looks nice while the back not so much. Or at all.
  • 4 0
 Fug
  • 1 0
 Strange strategy to go for a dual-idler design when so many existing high-pivot companies are moving to single idler configurations.
  • 2 0
 there's real issues with not enough chain wrap on single pulley systems
  • 4 5
 Well, that sure makes me happy with my decision of buying a 2023 Specialized Enduro Expert and giving it the i9 Carbon wheel treatment.

With GX AXS and a Zeb “Select+” upgraded to an Ultimate.
And an AXS Reverb Dropper, and a fully different cockpit…

Still for less money!!

#WINNING
  • 2 0
 nice! the bike bike has a build in jack in the box! hahaha
at min 08:01 jack jams out!
  • 3 0
 Love that dark teal, and your video Dario!
  • 2 0
 at the 8:00min mark in the video, was the the headset tool trying to escape?
  • 3 0
 Is this the day that high pivots officially jumped the shark?
  • 3 0
 Hope it rides every bit as good as it is ugly.
  • 2 0
 They tried to mix and match other brand technology and feature into new Slash, and the result is weird
  • 1 0
 I know they had HP on the DH bike for a while, but I'm still impressed Trek went to HP for the enduro bike. Gone are the conservative days of old!
  • 2 0
 Finally Trek gets there slack seat angle BS sorted...but it's 4 years to late
  • 2 0
 I hate bike brands that up the price of their bike and use their in house components
  • 2 0
 Is it just me or does the Slash (and the new Yeti downhill bike) look like copies of the Kavenz VHP16?
  • 1 0
 Killer bike, have previous model and loving it. I hope new one handles as well as 2021 model or better.
  • 6 7
 Let's all be correct in our suspension naming here. Sure it's high pivot, but it's still a 'simple' linkage driven single pivot! Looks a bit ungainly, but I'll bet it's a trail weapon.
  • 5 6
 But it's not!

A linkage-driven single-pivot places the brake on the swingarm (chainstay), therefore having no independent control over brake jack (AKA brake anti-rise). A four-bar places the brake on a floating element (seatstay), giving independent control over brake jack.

Trek's ABP places the brake on the seatstay, therefore making it a four-bar, albeit a "trivial case" in which the offset between the axle and the lower fixed element (chainstay) is zero.

And since we're nerding out, I propose the terms "direct drivetrain" and "indirect drivetrain" to denote the absence or presence of an idler (or similar), rather than having to argue over whether it's a "high pivot", "mid pivot", "kinda high, but not as high as [bike X]", etc.
  • 4 3
 @R-M-R: You make a very good point!
  • 5 4
 @R-M-R: No, that’s not how that works. It is definitely not a four-bar.

There are only two members that influence the axle path aka movement of the rear wheel, making this a two-bar single pivot system.
  • 4 4
 @Muscovir: Yes, that's how it works. It is definitely a trivial case four-bar.

When the axle is concentric with the lower rear pivot, there is no longer a distinction between a four-bar and a single-pivot with linkage-actuated shock and a floating brake. The key distinction between ABP and a linkage-actuated single-pivot without floating brake is that ABP provides separate control over the brake jack parameter. This is also true of a four-bar, which is how we know ABP is a trivial case four-bar, rather than a single-pivot with linkage-actuated shock.
  • 5 5
 @Muscovir: I understand this is a confusing situation - it confuses many people! - so I'll try to help.

First, imagine a single-pivot with linkage-actuated shock, like a Kona. Imagine moving the nearest-to-the-rear-axle pivot closer and closer to the rear axle. You can try this for yourself on Linkage. Move the pivot infinitesimally close. If you've studied any calculus, this is like taking the limit.

Next, imagine the same, but with a Horst design, like a Specialized. Again, move the pivot closer and closer to the rear axle. Infinitesimally close.

So, when the pivot is concentric with the axle, which is it: a single-pivot or a four-bar? It depends! Specifically, it depends where the brake is mounted.

If the brake is mounted on the fixed link (the chainstay), the system is a single-pivot with a linkage-actuated shock because the brake anti-squat parameter is tied to the fixed link, as it is with all single-pivot designs that do not use additional links (ex. floating brake). If the brake is mounted on the floating link (seatstay), it is a four-bar (albeit a trivial case four-bar) because the brake anti-squat parameter is tied to the floating link, as it is with all all four-bar designs that do not use additional links.

You can think of the ABP as a Horst four-bar with an infinitely short offset between the Horst pivot location and the axle, if that makes it clearer for you. You could also think of ABP as a single-pivot with a floating brake that also serves as the shock linkage. These classifications are indistinguishable with the ABP design.
  • 4 1
 @R-M-R: nice storyline but not how anyone defines these suspension designs for mountain bikes.
If the axle moves along a simple arc, with one pivot off the frame it = a single pivot.
After that it's only a non-linkage driven, or linkage-driven.
Moving the brake to different places is an interesting and meaningful point, but where you mount it does NOT change the wheel path, or suspension design.

This has a single pivot that controls the axle path. True.
This also has a linkage driven off the seats that that modifies how the shock is driven.
  • 3 4
 @BarryWalstead: That sounds sensible, but there are errors in the logic you have presented.

"If the axle moves along a simple arc, with one pivot off the frame it = a single pivot."

It is possible to create a four-bar system with exactly the same axle path as a single-pivot. By your definition, a Maestro design that precisely matches a single-pivot arc is a single-pivot. Hopefully this helps you see the arc is not what defines the system.
  • 3 0
 @R-M-R: Its a linkage drive single pivot with a floating brake arm.

a 4 bar has an instant center which is a function of two Links and there position(instant cetner of the rear wheel))

So its defined by instant center not decoupling the brake. Many single pivots are simple designs and place the brake on the swingarm but there are also single pivot with floating brakes(which does not make them into four bars)


if you dont want to believe me you can listen to the strek slash episode of the bike and big ideas podcast. there the lead engineer of the slash gen 6 Matthew Yerke explains that its a single pivot.
  • 2 0
 @R-M-R:
Maestro is not designed toto match a single pivots arc (the center of instant is moving)
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 @JasperTS: That's right, Maestro is not designed to match a single pivot, though it could, if someone wanted it to be that way. I used it as a simple example to help people understand. Any four-bar could be designed to exactly match the axle path of a single-pivot. If such a design were created, it would clearly be a four-bar with the same axle path as a single-pivot, thus disproving the thesis statement posited by BarryWalstead. The example was for his benefit to help him see the error of his statement.

As I stated, the concentric pivot used by ABP makes it impossible to distinguish between a trivial case four-bar with zero offset between the axle and the lower fixed pivot, and a single-pivot with a floating brake linkage that also drives the shock. ABP is both, because those are indistinguishable in the case of ABP.

I prefer to call it a four-bar because that is a familiar design, whereas a single-pivot with a floating brake link that also drives the shock is not familiar. If ABP were to move the chainstay-seatstay pivot a nanometer below the axle, it would clearly be a Horst four-bar with an extremely short offset between those two points. Nothing changes when the points are fully concentric, hence why I feel it's easiest to understand ABP as the trivial case of the Horst design.

I appreciate your appeal to authority re: Matthew Yerke, but please understand my bikes have won more awards than his. I'm also not saying he's wrong; as I've stated many times, the ABP design fits both classifications, but I prefer to group it with the more familiar classification ... and calling it a Horst would've been a patent violation at the time ABP was launched, so Trek's marketing hand was forced on that issue!
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 @R-M-R: while you are correct that you could perfectly tune a Horst link to move like a single pivot, it will still ALWAYS have two pivots between the axle and the frame. And your illogic of 'infinitesimally small' well, that means non-existent by pretty much any person. Why you're arguing this point is besides me. Even Trek doesn't claim it as anything like a 4 bar. They just trademarked a name for their pivot concentric to the axle.
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 @BarryWalstead: Barry, we're both arguing it, right? Same reason you are, I suppose.

There's nothing illogical about the infinitesimally small Horst offset. It's how math and physics treats limit cases. It's a manufacturing challenge, but the logic is sound. If you prefer, we could use more familiar numbers. Imagine a Horst with 5 cm of offset between the pivot and the axle. Now imagine 2 cm - still a Horst, obviously. Imagine 1 cm - still a Horst. Imagine 0.5 mm, then 0.1 mm ... and so on. If you believe it becomes not a Horst at some offset, what is that offset, and why?
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 @R-M-R: that offset is zero. As in this case, as in the case on any design that doesn't place it between the axle and the frame.
I'm not arguing that one could create a nano scale model with the tiniest distance from the axle to the second pivot but you're being obtuse and pedantic on a silly level.
On any functional level this is NOT a 4-bar, or a Horst link in the ways that even the manufacturer claims. Using the parlance of mountain biking this is most assuredly a single pivot. And since it has a shock driven by a linkage it is a linkage driven single pivot by its very definition.
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 @BarryWalstead: Here's a way for you to test your theory without having to take my word for it: Just make a model for yourself in Linkage. Make an ABP bike and model it as a single-pivot, then try it again as a Horst. See which one matches Trek's kinematic charts, paying particular attention to the brake anti-rise. Let me know if you need any help with Linkage; I'd be happy to give some tips, as I've made a few thousand models for work.
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 @JasperTS: Took the words right out of my mouth, but I guess the engineer who designed it might be wrong?
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 @R-M-R: it sounds like you’re saying it’s a single pivot by design but a four bar by function. Would that be correct?

How would you define a single pivot? I always thought it was purely based off the axle being connected directly to the main pivot.

I don’t know shit about this and you’ve got the experience, it just seems like you’re defining suspension types based off brake mount position, which I don’t think anyone else really does.
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 @BrianColes: you're 100% correct, not sure what tree he's barking up but it's completely incorrect.
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 @R-M-R: suspension behavior is not how it is defined.
It is defined by the number of pivots, whether they are short links or long links and how the shock is driven.
The fact you can play around with behavior of Linkage does not change the suspension design description.
Like take an Orange and add a floating brake arm, does that make it a new suspension type? Not at all.
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 @BrianColes: Conversation has failed to be effective. All I can say is to try it for yourself in Linkage and you'll immediately see what I'm talking about.
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 @R-M-R: suspension behavior is not what defines it. Only the physical links or lack thereof define it. You can't tune a single pivot into a Horst link. Just not possible, no matter how the axle path moves. It it has one pivot off the frame and the wheel moves off that arc... It's a single pivot. Braking effects have literally no meaning when discussion suspension types.
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 "Trek also decided to spec a lower roller, as the chain would otherwise only contact a few teeth on the chainring at a time,"

The big mean lower roller wheel is there mainly because the transmission gear wouldn't work otherwise. To much chain growth on a high pivot design for the electrical gearing. Any other gear(incl standard AXS) should work fine without it.
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 They spec a lower roller to increase the chain wrap on the chainring to reduce the chances of slipping under load. If there was only chain contacting a quarter of the chainring, it would wear down the chainring way faster and put way more wear on your drivetrain. Forbidden used to do the same but they moved their idler behind the chainring to eliminate the need for a lower roller.
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 I'll take a Slash 8 to go please
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 Looks like a Giant, if it had Giant written on the downtube.
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 Slash 9 is the spec for do-all rowdy riders
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 Will not be buying one this time around..
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 Scott Bikes: Looks like a session.
Trek: Hold my beer
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 How much time of riding spend the chain ripping that protection?
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 It looks like the chain is literally riding on the protection in one of the pictures. WTF?
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 @93EXCivic: it seems it does actually run (NSMB first ride review) and that feels like a huge fail from a brand like Trek.
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 @BarryWalstead: thanks, will check that
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 Anyone know if they will be dual crown compatible?
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 How to make carbon frame looks aluminium
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 that exposed brake line bothers me
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 Trek is missing 150 rear travel and 160-140 front travel in there lineup. Nothing I see in there line up competes with a transition senital or GG smash
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 GG is going out of business so cross that one off the list
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 total. remedy 29 would be dope
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 yes the Remedy is due for a new model
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 I wanna see PB to compare it with my Dreadnought please. I'm a high pivot believer.
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 medium with a 27.5 front and 180mm fork would be a park weapon
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 They have to pay for all those new shine Trek stores somehow, this is it
  • 2 2
 Yet another Trek bike that you'll have to get a custom paint job on not feel depressed every time you ride it. Seriously, give us some colors Trek. Jeez.
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 Dario, we like your delivery better than Henry, keep them coming. Cheers
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 I'll be keeping my Transition Spire.
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 The only thing I do not like is the logo on the downtube and the company behind it. Way too generic vanilla Lance Dope Strong,
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 Right after everyone realized high pivots are slow and just a fad. Tough timing on this one.
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 why does pinkbike delete my comments frequently, is it like a sales machine or something?
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 They should call it the Full Slash Smile even more so gen. 5 models are still available Smile
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 Anyone else bothered by the stem multitool trying to make a break for it at 8:00?
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 Yes
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 Trek HB916
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 Looks like a.... Hope
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 @dariodigiulio Photos are private BTW.
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 Xt and xtr builds same price?
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 I think a bunch of the prices are incorrect. $9600 USD is not $7400 CAD for the 9.8 XT build. And there's no way the top of the line 9.9 XO Transmission is cheaper than the 9.8 XT bike.
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 I don't like it.
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 okay one things that’s bothered me about these high pivot bikes are the chainrings. most radially asymmetric chainrings have clearly been designed to be strongest/stiffest 90 degrees out of phase of the crankarms because that’s where the chain is tensioned at the peak torque region of your pedal stroke.

but high pivot bikes place the chain right under the crankarm at this point. are there more instances of bent chainrings on high pivot bikes? obviously these bikes aren’t meant to be mashed on so maybe they just don’t see as much torque as a trail bike would. either way, would it maybe be a good idea to install chainrings rotated 90 degrees so the strongest part of the chainring lines up with the crankarm on high pivot bikes?
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 interestingly, this doesn’t apply to transmission chainrings, but would apply to a bike specked with regular eagle chainrings.
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 *specced!
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 Yikes….
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 Was HOPEful it would be a bit cheaper
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 the pricing is a bit crazy tbh
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 Looks like a Slashion
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 Dario must have massive corrones to be rocking that seat angle!
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 The size small sucks - 27.5 all around with pretty meh geo.
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 More of a medium to low pivot
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 looks like a bike from 2010
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 Finally a seat tube I can work with from Trek
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 What are those brake pads?
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 That bike in the mud? No thanks...
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 Flat AS curve is someone novel, I am very interested to try that.
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 What shock size does this bike use? On paper it looks like a 60mm stroke. Why do companies choose 60mm stroke instead of 65mm for 160-170mm bikes?
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 They call out a 230x65 on the specs...
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 I find it odd that the small gets 27.5 and no mullet option at least.
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 Odd ! It's more like, if you're a short person, like myself and you want to ride a size small with 29 inch wheels , fck' off and buy from another brand ! Trek doesn't need my money !
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 Lace up a 26in hoop on the rear hub?
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 looks like a Norco
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 Come on Trek, do something different!
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 I guess i can sell my Session now and replace it with this!
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 That saddle...do people actually ride with their saddles angled that harshly.
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 Yes
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 20% sag plus a 5% uphill grade and it's probably fairly comfortable. That said, it seems they chose an un-adjustable model of the Reverb.
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 @Snowytrail: I guess...but sag should lower the bike fairly evenly front and rear, so unless you're riding a 20* hill, that's a lot of weight on your wrists. To each their own of course, but I often wonder if riders with saddles so angled have tried a saddle more parallel to the ground.
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 @woofer2609: it’s a good bet that they have, and found that nose down works best for their needs - riders who angle their saddle noses downwards do a lot of pedalling up steeps and then descending out of the saddle.
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 Looks like a Forbidden
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 SEAT ANGLE, SEEEEEAT ANGLE!
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 Dario bro with the seat angle! Buy a switchgrade
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 I didn't know high pivot was still a thing
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 It doesn't look like Session
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 Another copycat
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 So sram doesn't offer anymore mechanical shifting?
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 looks like a copy of the Hope HB916....
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 At least it's a trek.....


Right?
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 Never buying a Trek again, warranties are bs....
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 Comparison to the chainsaw?
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 I don't like the added complexity.
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 Not a single 'Looks like a session comment'? Disappointed in all of you.
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 About time it can fit a real dropper post :@)
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 Pinkbike should do a HP shootout
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 Quin p*to avort
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 Too complicated
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 damn high pivots look ugly and complicated
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 sickk
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 Looks like aids! Costco on special soon
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 Does it take a dh fork?
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Range.
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 Idle lure
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 Looks like a .....
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 Value across the range seems solid, bike seems cool, love the features, and it looks good.
  • 1 1
 It looks like a-
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 Looks like a Devinci
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 Need a eslash
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 hell naw, ebikes are for cheeters
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 @preyma: call me chester!
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 @preyma: just try one , more dh runs
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 ...an ebike
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 That might have been their plan all along. Make normal bikes so ugly, that people won't cringe at their e-bikes!
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 I don't think you know what an ebike is...
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