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Greg Minnaar vs Luca Shaw vs Steve Peat: 3 Santa Cruz V10s Head to Head

Apr 26, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  
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With no racing scheduled for the near future, the Syndicate are launching their new colors and bikes virtually instead. There haven't been any huge changes to the bike this year but there has been a change-up in the team. With Loris Vergier moving on to Trek, the Syndicate will be down to just two racers this year in Greg Minnaar and Luca Shaw with Steve Peat continuing on his coaching role. Santa Cruz has custom-painted three bikes for the team this year so let's get into the details and check out what they'll be racing in 2021.

About the riders

Greg Minnaar

G.O.A.T. 1.

Age 38
Height 6'3" (190.5cm)
Weight 87kg
Instagram @gregminnaar

Luca Shaw

Luca Shaw

Age 24
Height 6'0" (183cm)
Weight 79kg
Instagram @luca_shaw

Steve Peat

9 years ago he was king out in Canberra. Nowadays Steve Peat has to settle for just being a legend.

Age 46
Height 6'3" (190.5cm)
Weight 97kg
Instagram @stevepeat


Frames

All the riders are on XL Santa Cruz V10s with Greg and Steve on full 29ers and Luca sticking with the MX mullet version that was launched last year. Luca and Steve are riding stock geometry, but Greg has stretched out his bike to match his height with a Chris King Buzzworks headset adding 8mm on the front and a custom chainstay extender adding 5mm on the rear.

Greg Minnaar

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Frame size: XL
Adjustments: Greg runs an XL frame with the addition of the chainstay extenders he was seen riding last year and an 8mm Buzzworks headset.

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Greg extends his chainstays by +5mm with this custom machined piece.

Luca Shaw

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Frame size: XL
Adjustments: Standard headset, mid chip shock and mid chip chainstay

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Steve Peat

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Frame size: XL
Adjustments: None

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Wheels

The Syndicate will continue with Santa Cruz's own Reserve wheels shod in Maxxis tires with tape and sealant provided by Peaty's. The Syndicate generally don't run inserts with the only exception coming in the fearsomely rocky Losinj track that was last raced in 2018. Each rider has their own tire preference with Greg running his signature Assegai front and rear, Peaty opting for the classic DHR II front and rear and Luca using the DHRII front and High Roller II rear.


Greg Minnaar

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Wheel size 29" front and rear
Tyre Width: 2.5" front, 2.4" rear
Tyre Pressure 26psi front, 28psi rear
Inserts No


Luca Shaw

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Wheel size 29" front, 27.5" rear
Tyre Width 2.4"
Tyre Pressure Front 21-25psi, rear 23-29psi
Inserts Only in Croatia


Steve Peat

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Wheel size 29" front and rear
Tyre Width 2.5" front, 2.4" rear
Tyre Pressure 23psi (1.6 bar) front, 25psi (1.6 bar)
Inserts No, just Peaty's tubeless rim tape and Peaty's Tubeless Sealant


Suspension

The Syndicate continue their long running relationship with Fox this year with all riders running the Fox 40 forks and DHX2 coil shocks. If you've watched any of the Syndicate web edits, you'll know how close the team works with Jordi and the rest of the Fox engineers so you can guarantee their suspension will be working sweetly. Here are all the nerdy details (all clicks are measured from fully closed):


Greg Minnaar

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Fork
Fork Pressure 116psi
Volume Tokens 4
High-Speed Compression Open
Low-Speed Compression 7
High Speed Rebound 3
Low Speed Rebound 4
Shock
Spring Weight 550lbs
High-Speed Compression Open
Low-Speed Compression 6
High Speed Rebound 3
Low Speed Rebound 8


Luca Shaw

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Fork
Fork Pressure 90psi
Volume Tokens 8
High-Speed Compression 8
Low-Speed Compression 6
High Speed Rebound 5
Low Speed Rebound 6
Shock
Spring Weight 550lbs
High-Speed Compression 8
Low-Speed Compression 6
High Speed Rebound 3
Low Speed Rebound 10


Steve Peat

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Fork
Fork Pressure 92psi
Volume Tokens 6
High-Speed Compression 7
Low-Speed Compression 8
High Speed Rebound 4
Low Speed Rebound 5
Shock
Spring Weight 600lbs
High-Speed Compression 6
Low-Speed Compression 7
High Speed Rebound 4
Low Speed Rebound 8


Contact Points

The contact points for the Syndicate come mainly from Burgtec with saddles, seatposts and bars. Luca and Greg both run 30mm rise bars but Steve uses the 38mm Ride High Josh Bryceland signature bar. Riders all run different grips with Minnaar on Burgtec, Luca on ODI and Peaty on his own Lizard Skins.


Greg Minnaar

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Bar width 800mm
Bar rise 30mm


Luca Shaw

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Bar width 790mm
Bar rise 30mm


Steve Peat

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Bar width 800mm
Bar rise 38mm


Drivetrain

The groupset comes from Shimano with all riders on the DH-specific Saint collection. We spotted a new Saint derailleur last year but it looks like the Syndicate are currently running the old-reliable at the moment as the 'X' shape parallelogram is still in place.


Greg Minnaar

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Chainring Size 34t
Cassette Size 11-24t
Brake rotor size 203mm


Luca Shaw

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Chainring Size 36t
Cassette Size 11-24t
Brake rotor size 203mm


Steve Peat

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Chainring Size 36t
Cassette Size 11-28t
Brake rotor size 203mm


Details


Greg Minnaar

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Luca Shaw

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Steve Peat

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145 Comments
  • 152 1
 This, is how an article should be written!! Not all bikes one by one. Component by components, is so much easier to read! Well done!
  • 77 5
 when you get used to seeing a Fox40 up front on a DH bike...the Boxxer looks so thin in comparison.
  • 46 8
 One could imagine that 38 Boxxer is behind the corner... Maybe it will be called ZEBBER Smile
  • 13 1
 @justwaki: I sure hope they don't call it the Zebber lol. But a 38mm chassis would be a great addition
  • 49 5
 @justwaki: no chance. It's sram. It'll be 36.99 boxxer dub debonair ultimate
  • 10 4
 @jomacba: i wonder how much of a balancing act is the increase of friction vs decrease in stanchion binding when increasing the diameter of stanchions.
  • 7 1
 @makripper: supercalifragilisticexpialadocious... Patent pending
  • 3 0
 @justwaki: I think its all relevant. Smaller diameter stanchion under direct load would have minimal flex and thus the decreased area of contact would generate less friction, however; under torsional load it would generate more friction as the chassis becomes misaligned. The same goes on the opposite end. So I think to a certain degree you end up with negligible differences. Ultimately damping is really controlled friction. So all in all, if you can keep that friction consistant, the more controlled the suspention becomes.
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: and consistency is where the bigger diameters will help. Those big tubes, as you said, are going to flex less, so that's the answer right there.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: I would agree.
  • 2 0
 @justinfoil: To add to that however, as much as I agree, we need to add in biodiversity. While one chassis works well for one, it may not work for another. I myself am on a 40. I'm 220lbs. My daughter is on a boxxer, and she's 110lbs.
  • 4 3
 @jomacba: thank you... we do need biodiversity. I am beating a dead horse here... but I do find it sad how many times use of phrase “looks like a Session” is used. So I wish there were more USD forks out there...
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: yeah, that's why i didn't say bigger is better; just that bigger should be more consistent, friction-wise (since that's where this started)
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: yup, we are in total agreement
  • 1 0
 @justwaki: looks like a session is a coined phrase. Question is, does it ride like a session. Most forks and coils share a similar silhouette, but that does not make them equal. Take intense and santa cruz for example. While they share a similar platform, I would say historically they both behave very differently. This can be said for just about anything. Quite simply, don't judge a book by its cover.
  • 1 0
 @justwaki: zebs feel better than lyriks. Whatever sacrifices were made with more friction from the bigger seals were out weighed by the stiffer chassis. Noticeably less binding.
  • 2 0
 @makripper: And only available if you 'qualify'
  • 1 0
 @justwaki: BooBeer
  • 1 1
 Goddamn, the boxxer looks disgustingly skinny.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Seb Stott disagrees.
  • 1 0
 @Mondbiker: who’s that?
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Google is your friend, as with most ignorant questions (or even pretended ones).
  • 1 0
 @Mondbiker: done and I don’t take anything he says seriously. He’s the guy who gave the assegai a bad review (lol) and then went on to talk about how good the magic Mary was in the very same review. I know what he’s going to say before even reading his reviews and I know I won’t agree with it. Good to see how nothings changed.
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: I think you mean supercaliberextrafragilespeedocious...
  • 16 0
 That's a lot of volume spacers on Luca's fork! Interesting to see how much more progressive he likes it compared to Greg, and I imagine those compression numbers will fluctuate throughout the season. Also interesting to see that Luca runs his shock with less rebound dampening than Greg as well, even though they have the same spring rate. I wonder if that is because Luca is slightly lighter. Would be interesting to know what preload they run as well, or if they just have it where the spring touches +1 turn as seems to be the trend.
  • 1 0
 I find that my light weight paired with my Fox 34 (not a real good comparison I know) requires a few tokens when I'm riding on steep techy trails if I'm set at 15-20% sag. It's too linear for sure.

Maybe because Greg runs higher pressures to start (he's heavier) he progresses at a similar point in the curve as Luca. Progression might actually feel the same between the two forks is what I'm trying to say.

But yeah, Luca's rebound dampening being different on the same spring is interesting. Probably a different shim stack.
  • 3 0
 They also don't have the same rear wheel size
  • 4 0
 Yeah Greg runs 20 more psi in the fork, but the same spring rate... pretty interesting how different the setups are
  • 19 0
 Are Minnaar and Peaty 6'3 or 195cm? Are they 191cm or 6'5?
  • 14 0
 Pinkbike has never been able to do conversions proper lol. They always mess up weights too.
  • 4 0
 Did I miss an announcement saying that Peaty is racing again!?
  • 9 0
 WOW! All dream bikes. #dreams
  • 8 0
 The fade on Luca's is so nice. It is nice seeing subtle graphics done well.
  • 3 0
 I cannot see a fade. Do I need to turn my monitor brightness up?
  • 4 0
 needs more No Curves
  • 5 0
 Why won't they just make Greg a custom frame though? Even if it's alloy!? I'm pretty sure every single frame he's ever had gets some length front and rear (giggedy) so why no give the poor long man a gret long frame to play with!?
  • 3 1
 Because a hundred quid headset and cnc part for the chain stay is a bit cheaper than a fully custom frame?
  • 1 0
 He’s one of those guys who fiddles with his bike when he’s nervous. He’ll never be happy. He’ll always want changes. Hah
  • 8 1
 now i know why i don't possess WC DH speed - because i'm a f*ckin midget at 5'8". damn, they're all huge
  • 4 0
 Laurie Greenland is like 5’7 I’m pretty sure
  • 10 0
 Don't worry, there are plenty of famous DH riders that aren't 6ft tall or taller Smile .

Laurie Greenland is 5'6"
Troy Brosnan is 5'9"
Sam Hill is 5'9"
Nicolas Vouilloz is 5'9"
Aaron Gwinn is 5'10"
Danny Hart is 5'10"
  • 10 0
 Naw, look at the ladies track times too. Most of the ladies at shorter than 5'8" rip faster than you or I will ever ride.
  • 8 0
 See: Aaron Gwin, Sam Hill, Nico Vouilloz, Loic Bruni, Danny Hart, Troy Brosnan, or basically everyone except Minnaar, Peaty and Amaury Pierron.

Would be interested to see a nerd stats for optimal height per discipline, and for the deep dive by course gradient.
  • 4 0
 Woops got distracted mid post and beaten to it. Turns out Pierron is short too, my bad.
  • 15 0
 Stop invalidating my excuse please
  • 2 0
 @ocnlogan: Brooke Macdonald too at 5'6"! Big Grin
  • 4 0
 @ocnlogan: arron gwin says 5 10 but in person more like 5 7 lol
  • 2 0
 @L0rdTom: The plain explanation is that all those guys are average height, or the most common height. The less plain explanation is that medium sized bikes perform better because their chain stay to front end ratio is more balanced.
  • 5 0
 @ocnlogan: no way Troy 5'9" I walked past him once and could have fit him in my pocket
  • 2 0
 @nimmo:

I just looked up the heights of the riders I knew were on the “average to slightly smaller than average” size range. But I’ll admit to not fact checking them all that much.

So if the height they have listed on their Wikipedia page is a bit “generous”, then I can’t say I accounted for that. I’ll defer to first hand experience Smile .
  • 1 0
 @4thflowkage: yeah that's why it would be interesting once normalised for average height. Definitely feels like more riders below average height than above it in the elite levels of DH.

And I agree on the bike side, it seems crazy how fixed many geometry dimensions are with regards to height.

Who do I @ to commission a nerd stats article on this? @brianpark ?
  • 1 0
 @nimmo: You're right, Troy Brosnan is just under 5'5" tall! What a ripper Big Grin \m/
  • 1 0
 @4thflowkage: most of those mentioned riders upsize their bikes.
  • 1 0
 in response to all these responses - i'm sure it doesn't help that i'm 58 Y O.
  • 1 0
 @nimmo: yeah same. He grows 2 inches a year lol
  • 2 0
 So all the proto saint stuff from last year is gone? And steve is running a buzzworks 8mm reach headset too, not sure on Luca......... and XL MX frame? Tell us more as production only goes to Large, so xl front fron a 29 frame with mx rear? Come on Pinkbike, you can do better than this
  • 1 0
 Yeah, I also noticed that Steve has a buzzworks headset. It's weird to me that Luca and Greg are both running XL frames and 550 springs when they're clearly different heights and weights, but they're the pros so I guess they know what they're doing.
  • 1 0
 @TEAM-ROBOT: watching Fox dialed sometimes you question that they know what they are doing, but this guys who set the bikes do.
  • 1 0
 @mfoga: basically the palm readers of the mtb world. You really need to know what works best for you. I don’t care how much you know about suspension you can’t tune someone else’s bike.
  • 6 3
 I'm surprised to see no tire inserts for all three. Maybe us folks that to change our own flat tires have a different perspective?
  • 3 0
 Have you ridden the reserve wheels?
  • 15 2
 I don't run inserts. Just proper psi and proper sidewall tires. It's not really magic or a secret.
  • 3 0
 They also have very good suspension. I run inserts cause I have 40mm less travel and it is not as sensitive or well tuned.
  • 1 0
 Maybe they learned that putting a pool noodle in a wheel will break a carbon wheel faster.
  • 1 0
 @speedsubscription: I disagree with this statement.
  • 2 1
 Why put those "open" clicker settings? Everyone knows you count the knobs from closed, ie: X counter-clockwise clicks from all the way clockwise. Saying "open" means zero clicks clockwise from all the way counter-clockwise, which is just not how anyone should be counting. Just ask Jordi. Oh wait, he's already been asked this a million times, and has already said a thousand times "always count from closed".
  • 1 0
 As not everybody owns the same shock/fork, it would be nice to know how many klicks each setting has
With this I will be able so juge if the setting is on the fast/slow side.

Does makes a difference:

Low-Speed Compression 6 from 8
or
Low-Speed Compression 6 from 15
  • 4 0
 Greg Minnaar is only 38?!
  • 6 0
 He's 39. Nov 13, 1981
  • 1 0
 Out of interest do burgtec do wider than an 800mm bar? Mad to see Minnaar going back down in bar length from his old signature bar years ago, and still can't get a bike long enough without custom hacks!
  • 1 1
 I wonder if chainstay extenders will be the new thing for some of the smaller "machine shop in a shed" style brands. Like if you made something similar to what Santa Cruz has done that sandwiches onto the existing drop out (not saying that is what SC as done) but I could see some person with too much time and just enough machine experience to be dangerous to think they could make something for a Canyon, Norco, SC, etc.

I feel like it is kind of like the angle adjust headsets that were a flash in the pan, not saying the dropout extenders will be here to stay but for a season or 2 while people think they are waiting for geometry to catch up I could see someone getting amongst it.
  • 1 0
 Thats an interesting idea. Clearly theres a market for aftermarket links (like Cascade Components) and angle sets, so why not have the ability to change the chainstay length?
  • 2 0
 It would require said ‘shop’ to have the ability to obtain every frame they design a dropout for, measure accurately (hard) decide if design is feasible, manufacture, test then release - oh and what about the brake mount? Every frame a different mount.

And angle adjust headsets being a flash in the pan, what made you come to that conclusion?
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: Oh yeah it would be a ton of work but there's tons of companies making suspension add-ons and other frame parts already so it's possible.

The flash in the pan conclusion is looking at the last 10 years. First there was just the angleset then every company that made a press fit headset made an angleset, we had frames like the commencals that had a sleeve that could spin to adjust the angle. While geometry adjustment has not gone away the headset is not the market it once was. As geometry caught up they faded away. These drop out adjustments would be the same.
  • 1 0
 @samnation: I would say more companies make an angle headset now than before, it was just new back then so the hype was there making you aware.

Commencal still mark their headtube for the use of angle headsets, they just dropped the sleeve as aftermarket solutions see simpler.

Evil and Pivot literally chose the headtube size to work with angle headsets as they are huge and specialized now supply their own angle headset with top tier bikes.
  • 1 0
 That un-gussetted seat tube top tube connection has only now after who knows how many years struck me as looking odd and weak. Maybe it isn’t, but definitely doesn’t look like it’s meant to be sat on and pedalled.
  • 1 0
 I think Greg Minnaar will finally get the right size V10 the year he retires...lol Just have Santa Cruz make a 540mm reach V10 already!
  • 1 0
 But then it wouldn´t turn, doh´ Wink
  • 1 0
 @Mondbiker: Turning is overrated and so last year...
  • 3 0
 well this is just pure pornography
  • 3 0
 My money's on the guy riding a V10
  • 2 0
 Greg Minnaar is actually 39, and turns 40 this November! Smile
What a legend \m/ Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Looks like Greg rides over the fork a bit more than the other guys, and also likes it lively and relatively free-moving while he's up front driving it hard.
  • 3 2
 Not on the syndicate but would be cool for Santa Cruz to do a custom frame for Nina Hoffman as well, hers looks right off the showroom floor
  • 2 0
 Safe to say if you stick with manufacturers suspension settings you will be ok judging by the wide range of these pros.
  • 2 1
 gregs custom machined ANCHORS. so not the new-new brah aaaand stevie still representing all of DH-kind. so much love.
  • 1 0
 Minnaar always used to run Gamut guides, and to my surprise it seems like they closed up shop. When did that happen?
  • 1 0
 years ago
  • 2 0
 Cool, I'm also interested in their trail/enduro bikes...
  • 1 0
 So how does it work that Luca runs "mid" settings but Peaty runs "none" settings?
  • 2 0
 Peaty running a maxxis DHR 29” 2.5..... are they for sale to the public?
  • 1 0
 And Greg running 2.4" Assegai on his rear end. Typos I'm pretty sure...
  • 1 0
 Lucas tires sizes are messed up too.
  • 1 0
 Eh take it back. Guess a hr2 27.5 2.4 is a thing
  • 1 0
 Heading out to use these suspension settings on my Fox 36 & X2 right now! Should make me much faster!
  • 1 0
 You should absolutely try 8 tokens in the fork.
  • 2 1
 I know he's not syndicate but it would have been cool to see Elliot Jackson get a sweet race bike paintjob.
  • 2 1
 Why does Peaty need a bike if he's the coach? Are Greg and Luca chasing him down the mountain for practice?
  • 1 23
flag CM999 (Apr 26, 2021 at 13:45) (Below Threshold)
 And what does peaty coach them on! They are both more successful than he was
  • 17 1
 @CM999: Peaty has won 17 world cups. How on earth is Luca more successful? Twat
  • 2 0
 @rossco2210: dont forget his 09 world champs
  • 3 2
 Helps with track walk, testing, logistics and stuff. He also does media and honestly having him at the races and in videos/social media is a big boost for the team cuz everyone loves him. He's also still fast AF... would think he could qualify easily for WC races but probably doesn't want to race unless he's competing for podiums.
  • 3 0
 @gramboh: I love Peaty too but "Easily qualify..." - the game has changed. You need to be right on the ragged edge these days. Tough thing to do when you've already moved on
  • 1 1
 @gramboh: You don't need a V10 to do that though. The bike must have more to do with Santa Cruz marketing since Peaty makes them look really good. You're also right, Peaty won't settle for anything less than podium and at his age podium isn't worth the risk required for that level of performance. The man is fast, but past his prime. DH is a young man's game and I think he knows that. I do wonder though if he's ever entertained jumping over to EWS. I'm sure he'd kill it over there for at least another 5-10years if he wanted to. The man can climb too you know.
  • 2 0
 @SuperHighBeam: Totally agree. His sendoff season a few years ago he was consistently in the top-40 if I recall, and I bet at least half those races he was semi-serious. Pushing 50 and he's still faster than all but the top 50-75 downhillers on the planet There's a good video from 4-5 years ago where Rob Warner did a group deal with Tracy Mosely, Peat, and a bunch of other younger pro riders comparing 27.5 to 29 back-to-back on a dh track (seems hilarious now looking back on that). Mosely had already moved on to 29 and was in the midst of her enduro reign (I think it was right before or after she retired and Cecile stepped up to dominate). Two wild things from that video - how much faster every rider was on 29 wheels. And how much faster Peat was than everyone else. He was besting pro riders (I think they were more enduro and not dh racers) 20 years younger than him by wide margins. I think the majority of these pro riders, men and women, even as they reach their upper thirties to forties (Minaar, Lopes, Hill, Rachel and Gee Atherton, Mosely, Gwin, etc), are still posting crazy fast times that non-pros, and a lot of borderline pros, can only dream of achieving.
  • 2 0
 @phclaw: I not sure that anyway cares or pays attention to the top-40 in DH. All the focus is likely on the top 20. If Peaty has fallen out of that domain than he's not competitive grade anymore despite being stupendously fast. When you have a track record like Peaty, you don't race for fun anymore, you race to win. Not being on the podium isn't acceptable. Peaty likely realized it taking far too much effort to stay conditioned well enough to compete at that top tier and the risk of crashing was greater now than 10-15-20 years ago. He loves the sport though, and Santa Cruz likely pays him well since he pulls in new customers with his racing pedigree so why not stay on in a different context. Peaty is a great spokesman for the gravity line of Santa Cruz bikes and a representative of the Syndicate.
  • 2 0
 @phclaw: I don’t think people realise how good you have to be to win 17 world cups and get that many podiums. Quite a lot of people don’t realise what a rider like that would do to them if they had to follow them down a trail. Even if he is five years into retirement.
  • 1 0
 @SuperHighBeam: I think you'll find that the EWS game has changed too... it's no longer an ex-DH retirement field walk. Current DH pros try their hand from time to time and don't feature.
  • 1 0
 @SonofBovril: Interesting. I think I may be mixing up Super Enduro (SuperD?) and Enduro. I know the former is essentially a collection of timed descents with untimed mandatory climbs between. The latter, I'm not so sure what exactly the format is. Is EWS a collection of stages with climbs and descents? Climbing is certainly not the strength of DH riders, not even the pros despite their impressive fitness.
  • 1 0
 @gramboh: So I'm surprised nobody here as directly answered my inquiry "Why does Peaty need a bike if he's the coach? Are Greg and Luca chasing him down the mountain for practice?" Is his need for a DH bike strictly for marketing purposes or is it being used in some other context? His custom bike is surely worth $10,000+
  • 2 0
 @SuperHighBeam: Honestly I should choke you out Wink for even having the nerve to question why peaty should be given a bike. Real question is why haven’t you given peaty a bike? Why do you disrespect the gods like this? Where is your offering? All hail peaty.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: Lol. If he ain't racing, he don't need a fancy DH bike. Give him a lesser bike for his lesser role. He's a retired God now. Still awesome, but not in need of all his former god-like accouterments.
  • 1 0
 Says Greg runs Assegai front and rear - but also 2.5 front and 2.4 rear. Where can I get this mystery 2.4" Assegai?
  • 2 0
 Peaty's graphics look like beer foam... I suspect that's the intent.
  • 1 0
 looks like a guinness.
  • 1 0
 It’s really cool to see all the setups side by side. Super interesting
  • 1 0
 @steve peat
Where do I get a 600lbs SLS for the V10?
  • 3 0
 You can get orange spray paint at any hardware store. 24 hours later and your newly orange spring will be good to go.
  • 1 0
 how old is that saint groupset now?
  • 4 3
 At the same time... it works. I can imagine that 7sp cassette and a shifter with a 7/12sp lock system could be better. But stay away from cranks! They are fantastic! The only thing I womder is whether Saint brake levers have wandering bite point issue, I can imagine they do, they look identical to XT and XTR trail
  • 5 0
 2013 and still rippin!
  • 1 0
 The brakes came out in 2013. I can't remember if the current generation all came out then.
  • 1 0
 @makripper: Mid 2012
  • 2 0
 6 ft 3 in = 190.5 cm
  • 1 0
 If this was on Oprah, everybody would win a prize!
  • 1 0
 The dhr2 front high roller rear was a new one for me.
  • 1 0
 That is my winter setup w/maxxgrip front, maxxterra rear. Works great.
  • 1 0
 That's a nice detailed bike check!!
  • 1 0
 When you are factory...you know you earned it. Sweet looking rides!
  • 1 0
 Such beautiful bikes Drool
  • 1 0
 Minnaar with no HSC - knows !!!
  • 1 0
 OK, so there IS a size XL for the Mullet? Interesting. I will wait!
  • 1 0
 What are those mudguards ? Marsh Guard v.2 ??
  • 1 0
 Greg's goes fastest...
  • 1 0
 stevie FTW
  • 1 0
 Who won though?
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