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Guerrilla Gravity Announces Trail Pistol with Revved Carbon Rear Triangle

Mar 11, 2021
by Guerrilla Gravity  


PRESS RELEASE: Guerrilla Gravity


Full carbon, with a little bit of anarchy.

The Trail Pistol is BACK for an encore and ready to fly through endless singletrack. This time - it’s fully Revved from front to rear.

Revved Carbon, our patented manufacturing technology, now makes up the entirety of the frame, increasing impact-resistance, reducing weight, and expanding the benefits of the environmentally-friendly material across the full bike.

The 29”, 120mm Trail Pistol frame starts at six pounds and features a slack 66 degree head angle, steep seat tube angle for ideal climbing stance, and short, 430mm Revved Carbon chainstay for a playful ride across a variety of landscapes and terrain.

The updated Trail Pistol is our first bike to be released in 2021, as well as the only model to feature an updated carbon rear triangle.

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bigquotesAll GG bikes are made for goin’ fast downhill. It was important to us to give the Trial Pistol a noticeable lift from its already excellent uphill performance. A Revved Carbon rear triangle was the clear next step to further reduce the weight of the overall frame, improve stiffness, and bring pedaling efficiency to the next level.—Will Montague, President


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The Revved rear triangle R&D team in front of the rear triangle fusing machine.


Multiple technical hurdles had to be overcome to utilize Revved Carbon for the rear triangles, which includes new patent-pending methods. To maximize stiffness, the swingarm is fused as one fully singular piece with no bond joints, making it the most complex piece made with Revved Carbon to date.

Additional updates include:

Full Revved Carbon rear triangle. 300 grams lighter and 50% stiffer that improves power transfer while climbing and cornering precision.
Built on the Modular Frame Platform. The updated Trail Pistol fits seamlessly
into our line of modular frames.
External brake hose clip system: You’ll no longer find zip ties directly on our frame. The new brake hose system “clips, twists, and inserts” to secure the hose.
Internal swingarm cable routing. Feed the derailleur cable into the front of the swingarm, and it exits at the other end.
Molded rubber protector: a newly designed protector with recessed fit gives riders additional clearance between the crank arm and protector, and prevents catching or edge peel.
Pivot bushings, where they make sense: To create an even stiffer rear triangle interface, the updated Trail Pistol seatstay/swingarm pivot switches from ball bearings to long proven IGUS bushings for lighter weight, better fit, and a longer service life.
Off with the offset. The rear wheel is now centered (zero dish) on the Revved
Carbon rear triangle.
Permanently Plush. GG Riders agree: Plush/Crush Mode is better achieved by switching Seatstay Kits, which is why the Trail Pistol has been optimized to be permanently plush with increased small bump compliance.
Updated GG decals. Immediately adds 250 watts. Who needs an e-bike now?

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Front and rear Revved Carbon triangles.

The updated Trail Pistol is the next addition in the range of bikes on the Modular Frame Platform. Riders who purchase the updated Trail Pistol will be able to take advantage of the full range of alloy and Revved Carbon Seatstay Tuning Kits, which include The Smash, Gnarvana, Megatrail and Shred Dogg. Revved rear triangle upgrade kits are expected to be available for current GG riders later in 2021.


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GG’s Integrated-External Cable Door with updated decaling.


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New post mount 180 brake adapter.

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New Revved rear triangle with internal derailleur cable routing.

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The new Revved Carbon rear triangle with updated molded protectors.

FRAME SPECS
Frame material: Revved Carbon front and rear triangle
Fork travel: 120 - 140 mm
Shock size: 210 x 50 mm
Shock hardware: 8x20 (f), 8x30(r)
Seatpost: 30.9 mm with stealth dropper routing
Seatpost clamp: 37 mm (included with frame)
Max seatpost insertion: See Dropper Fitment Guide
Chainguide mount: ISCG05
Bottom bracket: 73 mm BSA threaded
Chainline: 52mm
Max chainring size: 34t
Rear wheel dish: None
Derailleur hanger: Sram Universal Derailleur Hanger (UDH)
Brake mount: 180 Post mount
Max tire size: 29 x 2.6"

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Starting at $2495, the updated Trail Pistol is currently available with frameset and complete build configurations at RideGG.com.

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235 Comments
  • 555 12
 Rocky Mountain: BEHOLD! Our terrible price to spec ratio line of bikes!

Santa Cruz: We're raising our prices to capitalize on the pandemic bike bubble.

GG: Here's a now full carbon bike with a justifiable $300 price increase, still made in the USA, and the rear triangle can be retrofitted on the ones that had an aluminum rear triangle.

Someone's doing things right.
  • 18 95
flag Korbi777 FL (Mar 11, 2021 at 7:09) (Below Threshold)
 yeah rocky
  • 63 0
 Updated lines on the frame and decals look really nice too. Well done GG
  • 77 0
 Still cheaper than the majority of carbon frames made in Asia and not much more than the alum ones made in Asia. This is a great example of unintended consequences of manuf. outside of of US. If I was in market for frame this would by #1 pick.
  • 17 1
 This is near the top of the list. Well done and produced stateside!
  • 5 0
 I don't get how they're handling dish here that's different vs their other rear-ends... anyone know?
  • 3 0
 @shredddr: The alloy has 3mm offset to the drive side and the carbon has no offset.
  • 9 0
 @shredddr: GG used to have a 3mm dish (same as c-dale AI). Now it is 0-offset (which is industry standard).
  • 5 3
 @olson44: Which means you can't run new carbon rear chainstays with existing aluminum seatstays. But the front triangle didn't change -- existing Revved front triangles will accept complete carbon rear ends if you want to upgrade the whole rear suspension.
  • 21 0
 @chrod: You can just dish your alloy version's wheel back to center. They are using off the shelf wheelsets here, they dish them in house for the 3mm offset, and away you roll.

If you switched to carbon, throw it on the truing stand and remove the dish. Easy-peasy.
  • 1 0
 Word.
  • 3 5
 @RadBartTaylor: I'm not disagreeing with you regarding price or the made in USA vibe in the least. I will say that GG would have a very difficult time producing these in the same numbers as say Santa Cruz, Yeti, Intense, Pivot etc. Currently they are 5-7 weeks out which in a normal year would be horrible, in 2021 though thats amazing.
  • 5 1
 @downcountry: personally, im not in the market right now. However, GG has been on my "Watch list" for a bit. I really like what they are doing and the price point they keep their frames at.
  • 2 1
 Excel.
  • 6 0
 if you want to buy a GX rear mech then buy a rear mech not a bike..... i sell bikes for a living, I cant tell you how many people demand the highest spec from their new steed only to complain how expensive their repair bills are a year down the line!!!
  • 17 15
 We recently built up a GG frame at the shop I'm at, and we were all pretty surprised by quality control on the frame. The headset cups, while being pretty damn ugly, didn't sit flush in the frame, there were pretty significant "edges" between any different materials meeting together, and the real kicker was the seat tube relief cut outs. There were 3 cut outs, all of which were different lengths, and they literally hacksawed (pretty jagged with bits of carbon just hanging off) and then drilled out at the bottom. It's the first frame I've seen from them in person, so maybe it was a one-off. I'm sure it is structurally sound and can't comment on how it actually rides, but if this is the norm, then you are definitely getting what you pay for: a cheaply made carbon frame.
  • 12 2
 @leon-forfar: Interesting. My frame is pretty much flawless.
  • 4 0
 @scstrail: fair but that does make it that much more amazing they can sell for the price they are! With small economies of scale, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were $1k more....
  • 3 1
 @RadBartTaylor: I think it helps that GG is basically direct to consumer. I know they will ship to a shop if you like but they are mostly a consumer brand. Keeping that margin for yourself allows you to sell bikes for less money.
Case in point take any other direct brand and compare the spec to a IBD brand, then compare the cost. (ex. Nukeproof Reactor for 5300 vs. Yeti SB140 same spec, for 7500). Nothing wrong AT ALL to small batch homegrown bikes going direct to the consumer.
  • 3 0
 @scstrail: They are also in the middle of building a new production facility from nothing.
  • 3 0
 How much does a frameset weigh?
  • 1 0
 @scstrail: I don't think there is anything wrong with it at all! I think it's great, but my point is small batch made in USA is typically very $$, I think it's very affordable for what it is....
  • 1 0
 @Frontrange: I think I remember them saying "starts at 6.5 lbs".....probably for the smaller size, but pretty comparable to other frames out there.
  • 2 0
 @leon-forfar:
I can agree on the fit of the cups not being perfect, but it’s not an interference fit, and makes no difference in function as well as the seat tube slots and there may very well be a reason for the difference. Did you look down the down tube through the open head tube? There are a number of high end companies that still has plastic bladder chunks and looks like crusty boogers inside.
  • 3 1
 @leon-forfar: That is interesting, on GG's FB group which is pretty heavily trafficked by GG owners I have seen talk of a bad batch of headset cups which fit poorly and clicked, but that was remedied quickly by GG by sending out new cup pairs to affected owners. And one instance of head tube cup seat irregularity which was also warrantied.
My size 3 MT came with a little bit of carbon shavings in the headset cup grease but all it took was a wipe-down and re-grease prior to assembly and the headset cups always fit flush / no creaks.
GG is really good with customer service and I'd expect them to take good care of your customer's frame issues (if it's still at the shop)
  • 1 0
 ..
  • 1 0
 @Frontrange: GG advertised their 2020 TP at 2950g w/o shock. I assume it would be 300g lighter than that.
  • 1 0
 @vinny4130: Yeah, the cups didn't sit flush, but they were even so that everything worked with no issues. It just wasn't very nice to look at.

@chrod: It may well have been a frame from a bad batch, and I do hope it was a one-off.
  • 1 4
 @RadBartTaylor: yet you're typing this comment on an Asian made laptop or smartphone.
  • 2 0
 @Riwajc: how do you know I'm not on a desktop? I do what I can. I spend a LOT of money supporting local when it makes sense. Cars, I can't since everything is so global, Ford manuf globally...same for computers, although I try to use Intel chips (made domestically) where possible. For me at this point its just more about the small manuf like GG, furniture (where $$ possible), etc. Not perfect, but I honestly try. It's a hard decision when I spend 50% (or more) MORE just to buy USA made....but it's an easy decision if it's a quality product for competitive price, which GG is without question.
  • 3 0
 There's a dichotomy here. People are praising GG for their pricing (among other things) but much of what they're able to do with price is because they're primarily a direct sales brand... How do pinkbikers reconcile "buy american made" vs "support your LBS"?
  • 2 0
 @shredddr: Yep. The only way we can truly "support your LBS" and "buy American" at the same time is to buy one of the few US-manufactured bikes or parts sold in a bike shop. There are a lot of disincentives, a major headwind for shops: direct-to-consumer brands cut out the middleman and cost less, non-US manufactured bikes cost less, locally-made choice landscape is shrinking. With most of the choices being manufactured overseas, it's difficult to get something that is both what you want and the price you want to pay. GG is a good example of the future of innovative, price and performance competitive US-made products. Cost-competitiveness means more automation; manufacturing and sales models have to change to meet cost/performance demand.

A different version of the same dilemma exists for "buy sustainably made products"

In the end we consumers compromise based on the strength of our principles. And principles are expensive.
  • 3 1
 @chrod: full disclaimer, I upvoted you, well said....but not convinced principles are necessarily expensive, depends on what they are....GG is an example of where I can actually save money vs 'supporting local' and buying in shop....6 one, 1/2 dozen the other on which is better. The information we have as consumers to make educate and principle based decisions is severely lacking. I have no idea what the margins are of some of the companies, do I wanna support a LBS if they padding their margins above industry std? What about buying a 'local' or 'sustainable' product when in fact it's not really...we just don't really know since many manuf take advantage of the marketing of terms like this. We do our homework and do what we can....but we just don't always have the time, the knowledge or the data to support.

What perplexes me, the same people that are the first to scream AMERICA FIRST are generally the first ones to go to Walmart and buy made in China stuff at basement prices, it's a odd juxtaposition of political views meets real world practicality. I've had this argument several times....I'd rather spend more knowing it's made in US, fair trade, sustainable, etc....but the opposing view is just as valid....who cares, they market products with an inch of legality so it's really a crapshoot what you get.

I kind of see GG as a win-win, I know where my $ are going, it's a fair deal, 'local' business, quality product...

In saying all that - I have a Taiwanese made alum frame from Banshee, wanted to get away from carbon...so now we have the environmental conversation to have and how the already complicated decision.....

First world problems.
  • 2 0
 @RadBartTaylor: good points! I really like your take on the lack of information consumers have to make educated choices. It takes more research beyond the bolded marketing terms to figure out who makes what where and for how much and sometimes that's more work than we're willing to do. If that kind of information were easily available for the whole supply chain for every product, we would probably see a more significant shift by consumers. I think people in general want to buy more sustainable stuff and will pay a bit more to get it.

Companies that sit fat atop inflated margins can only do so for so long - recent price increases are mostly due to increasing costs it seems, but that's atop a "brand premium" for some companies, which we can choose not to pay. There are alternatives to an SB150 or a Nomad for less money. "The free market will sort it out" is true in that respect.

Yeah I see GG as a win-win also. It's awesome they exist and can be a choice among modern MTB products. In fact a significant reason I bought my Megatrail (to replace an old Rune v2) was because my money would be going to great folks in CO making rad bikes and supporting the creation of more sustainable carbon manufacturing tech. The only downside is that machines do more of the work that people used to do. But that is progress, less waste, better results, and is better for humanity in the long run. (unless Bezos or Wal-Mart own all the machines)
  • 206 9
 Proud owner of GG bikes here !!! Great freaking job to everyone at Guerrilla Gravity to make this happen and continuing doing things right!! PUMPED Smile
  • 48 2
 3 balls
  • 10 3
 Full ggas!!
  • 13 10
 Honestly, with the previous devaluing graphics package and weight I'd never given them a second look. But now that they're supporting one of my favorite riders of all time and tightened up the decals a bit I'm looking at them with more of a credit-card-in-hand buy-it-now approach.
  • 19 3
 @DirkMcClerkin: I am sure the marketing department are giving themselves high-fives reading your comment. Meanwhile in engineering...they are giving themselves facepalms.
  • 3 0
 you pumped?? no way Smile
  • 7 1
 @ahootes: Nah, no face palms over here. Maybe some late nights, but definitely more high fives.
  • 3 0
 @Dlakusta: *Tree balls
  • 5 2
 @DirkMcClerkin: Imagine if decals and weight decided whch bike you get.
  • 2 2
 @colincolin: Amen. I expect my super fun heavier-than-average bike to outlast its decals and seldom leave me stranded.
  • 79 2
 In the spirit of environmental friendliness I’ll be riding my legacy all-metal GG into the sunset.
  • 115 1
 Hell yeah, just because we release new models doesn’t mean the older versions are any less good. Keep ripping. -Matt from GG
  • 20 1
 Same. My metal Trail Pistol is just starting to get that nice raw alu patina. Still fun as hell despite *gasp* being a few years old at this point.
  • 12 0
 @m-t-g: a new GG/DH would be sweet!!
  • 9 0
 My metal Smash is 4 years old and is just getting started! I might grab a carbon TP to keep it company, but I plan to ride that Smash another 4 years...at least!
  • 4 0
 @m-t-g: I just wish I could un-crack my old alloy megatrail...
  • 3 0
 @Kieranf: Not covered under warantee?
  • 4 0
 My alloy shred dog is still the best bike I’ve ever ridden.
  • 4 10
flag westcoastbikeguy (Mar 11, 2021 at 17:10) (Below Threshold)
 Theoretically recyclable and recyclable are very different. There is no one recycling these frames not even GG. The process to recycle the fibers involves removing all the resin and has been shown to be possible but not commercially viable so these claims can be thrown right out
  • 7 0
 @westcoastbikeguy: I believe GGs material doesn’t use the same resin/fiber layup that most carbon does. This is more of a thermoplastic or something along those lines.
  • 1 0
 @m-t-g: Super interested in the Revved Carbon, as someone who has laboured over hand layups it sounds magical. If the first patent is granted/published (?) now, can we have a patent number so we can look it up please. Would also love to see more info on the cable routing and headset seats etc. As a shorter guy I'd never go 29" but nice to see shorter chainstays, will the 27.5" bikes be going this way?
  • 2 0
 Same here. Sure my Megatrail is older, but I just love how it rides. I can't even contemplate a new bike for quite some while.
  • 1 0
 @m-t-g: how do your bikes work out for big boys? You're only shortlist of brands if I ever get tired of my Evil!
  • 73 3
 Updated GG decals. Immediately adds 250 watts. Who needs an e-bike now? Ha! Awesome.

Seems like a pretty rad company making some smart moves.
  • 14 42
flag fiftypercentsure (Mar 11, 2021 at 9:01) (Below Threshold)
 Did the owner's 12 year old nephew finally get canned from running the graphics department? Poor Chippy.

He'll always have his Pee-chee folder penis drawing portfolio to fall back on.
  • 7 0
 I'll take (4) sets of stickers please
  • 5 6
 @like2pedal: Thank you for supporting Chippy in his new venture. Scratch n' sniff or puffy?
  • 5 1
 @mobiller: I will take (1) pack of penis stickers in puffy. If still have gun stickers from the old job I'll take a pack of those. Hoping there's a penis-gun collab sticker in the future.
  • 4 0
 Real talk though, these new decals are just miiiiles better than the previous flaccid offering on the downtube. These are still pretty simple/plain but fit the bike immensely better. Can't wait for them to roll out more colors, this is getting to be a great looking bike!
  • 43 3
 No joke. If I didn't work for a different bike company, I would spend my own money on this bike. I wouldn't even try to get an industry hookup. I am 100% behind GG in what they are doing, and I think it is really important. Go get em guys!
  • 12 6
 Which bike company do you work for?
  • 13 6
 @mobiller:

He didn’t say the name for a reason, so why are you still asking?
  • 3 2
 @mobiller: the one you ride!
  • 34 2
 Thats a good lookin frame. Like the side cover for cable routing. Fishing my housings through my frame is the pain in my a##! Nice work folks....
  • 40 0
 I hate how internal routing is so popular. External is easier to work with and looks fine. This is definitely a better alternative.
  • 7 1
 @adrennan: I like this idea but can't get past how all the cables go on the non-drive side, the dropper cable looks messy. I support internal cables, external hoses.
  • 2 0
 @crj5: when you're riding the bike, you get used to the routing after about 10 seconds.
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: same here. Rather have external over internal any day. But this design is even better. Easily accessible yet covered and hidden when riding. Wish more bikes would move onto this and ditch internal routing.
  • 2 0
 @crj5: I’m sure there’s a good reason for the non drive routing, but I can’t help thinking they missed an opportunity to run the channel dead centre of the downtube. Would be clean as
  • 4 0
 I have a GG and the cable routing is my least favorite part. The cable cover is fiddly and tough to get everything crammed in there, plus the rear derailleur cable is still internally routed through the seat tube and requires removing the bottom bracket for routing. It'd be better if it had sleeved internal routing like every other modern carbon mtb IMO. That said, it's not really a big deal. I love everything else about the bike, and I am planning on buying some variation of this new model.
  • 2 0
 @dthomp325: I wasn't a fan of the cable cover so I ordered a set of these www.mtbr.com/threads/revved-frame-cable-management.1136045
  • 1 0
 @Chickenwithshovel: I think it’s Matt who talks about the cable cover In a podcast. Hearing his discussion of how difficult it was to engineer this I am sure there is a good reason for its placement.
  • 1 0
 @cazman727: that’s dope
  • 1 0
 @dthomp325: I took a round file and “notched” the dimples where the bolts come through on the cover. It gave me more room for the larger brake hose to go around the bolt, helps it sit flush and clean.
  • 1 0
 @cazman727: THANK YOU!
  • 19 0
 Need revved bars and cranks next
  • 9 0
 Cranks please.
  • 17 1
 rims too
  • 3 5
 Bars would prob be too stiff
  • 7 0
 @me2menow: Revved is 3x more durable than most traditional carbon according to GG, but not stiffer. Bar stiffness shouldn't be a problem especially because wall thickness and taper can be controlled.

A set of Revved rims would be awesome. Durability (being stuck on a remote trail after a rim crack, rather than an Al rim dent) and cost are the main reasons keeping me from adopting.
  • 2 0
 @chrod: This would be a similar product offering to the Revel thermoplastic rims. But I'd like to see GGs take on it. Maybe there's a way their manufacturing technique to be used to yield something unique.
  • 4 2
 www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/Revved-Industries-Secures-First-Patent-for-Revved-Carbon-Manufacturing,4327

"Revved Industries has ambitious plans for future expansion. This patent is the first of others in the works to be filed around novel manufacturing technologies related to creating products out of carbon fiber reinforced thermoplastic... While Revved is currently producing frames, they have some exciting R&D projects underway as they build towards becoming an OEM partner for the cycling industry, and beyond."
  • 2 1
 Shoot, I thought Revved Industries was a completely separate company that also did the thermoplastic rims for Revel bikes, but thats CSS Composites. Aren't they doing the same thing?
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: yeah, but they’re not producing frames. Another company that might be named after a bird also tried, but then moved on and kept they’re production overseas.
  • 18 0
 I wonder if Being made in the USA will give GG a lead time advantage? GG is doing things right.
  • 8 0
 4 weeks to your door for a few models right now.
  • 7 0
 With all the problems of 2020 those of us that ordered frame-only GG's received them on time. Full bikes were delayed depending on component time waits.
  • 17 3
 I'm 53 and waited my entire bike life to buy my first Santa Cruz (Chameleon Oct 2019) and while I still absolutely love it (my only bike) I have to say that I'm not proud of the brand right now, and when I'm in the market for a new bike, GG will be at the top of a very short list.
  • 3 0
 what made you lose confidence in the brand?
  • 3 0
 I hear you with SC, even pre-covid their markup was tough to stomach. However I've also got a Chameleon and it's just so so good. The magic they've worked with the chainstays makes it really compliant, it's great fun pointing downhill, and in my view 120mm fork is so much better balanced than the longer slacker 'hardcore' hardtails out there.
  • 2 0
 @HankHank: My Chameleon is far and away the best - and more importantly the most fun bike I have ever owned. My history is to buy a new bike every 5-7yrs, but I really don't know how much more fun I could ever have, so I have no plans whatsoever to replace it..... now the things bolted to it are fair game and get replaced more than I'd like to admit. It started out in 27.5+ mode, but I have long since changed to 29er mode with the chain stays at their longest setting.... Just stupid fun for what I want out of a bike.
  • 1 1
 @HankHank: you need to become a dentist by all accounts
  • 2 0
 @Compositepro: I thought British dentists brought Stantons and Ragleys
  • 2 0
 Actually I'm being harsh on Ragley, but there are plenty of expensive brands out there, so it's great to see GG stepping up... I like their cable routing idea!
  • 3 0
 I'm the same age as you and my GG Megatrail is more fun than any bike I've ever ridden. I wouldn't consider another brand if I had to replace it. It never fails to put a huge smile on my face when I ride it.
  • 16 1
 really keen on how GG are doing things, that's a great looking frame with great details, despite being in the UK it's still a temptation
  • 4 0
 I'd say go for it! MTB is a great change from Trials!
  • 4 0
 @noone1223: I love a bit of MTB, I've been slack this past year due t restrictions and a broken shock but I'm keen to get back out into the mountains and get back racing when they are back on Smile
  • 1 0
 @aliclarkson: true enough. The UK has been quite strict, and parts are a bit hard to find right now, but hopefully you'll be out soon!
  • 11 1
 When I got the hype email from GG stating:
"time to let the heavy metal go..but the memory remains.."
I for sure thought it had to be a new carbon Pedalhead. Especially when I was hinted to that one was in the works for this winter. Oh well. Cool bike.
  • 7 42
flag sanchofula (Mar 11, 2021 at 8:21) (Below Threshold)
 Hardtails are hardtails, they are nothing special. Full suspension frames are special because the suspension design makes each bike different from other bikes. Anyone can build a hardtail, simple science. That said, the GG Pedalhead in steel is real!
  • 31 6
 @nurseben: do you ever just stop and wonder.... do I really need to flap my gums right now? Am I really going to broadcast another baseless opinion out loud?

Maybe just stick to mtbr
  • 4 0
 I'd be stoked for an updated geo Pedalhead, but in steel please!
  • 7 32
flag sanchofula (Mar 11, 2021 at 10:41) (Below Threshold)
 @thegoodflow: @thegoodflow: Nope, I never think about it, nor do I care what you think, probably cuz you're just another anonymous troll on the internet. Now did that satisfy you? Nah, probably not, so sad for you.

Consider how productive your comment is, then ask yourself the same question you asked me.
  • 10 2
 @nurseben:

Not sure why you thought it was necessary to supplement your already thoroughly insightful comments by also sliding into my DMs with unsolicited advice, but...

It actually seems like you do care... a lot.... and that's okay... apathy is played out, bro.
  • 13 2
 @thegoodflow: 'Maybe if I spent less time flapping my gums on PB I could have been doctorben by now...'
  • 5 16
flag sanchofula (Mar 11, 2021 at 14:34) (Below Threshold)
 @mikealive: already there bro
  • 5 16
flag sanchofula (Mar 11, 2021 at 19:45) (Below Threshold)
 @thegoodflow: nope, still don’t care, just figured I’d take it off PB to reduce the drama, but you did the right thing by bringing the drama back ... so I guess you’re the drama Queen.

Seriously dude, pick a fight with someone your age, there’s gotta be some toddlers aching for a brawl.

Gotta love the five or so folks who neg rep my every post, you all really need to get a life, social media ain’t all that.

Nothing you do will prevent me from posting, I’m not Waki.
  • 6 5
 @nurseben: Just in this thread alone you've charted a -38, a -26, and a -8, but "Gotta love the five or so folks who neg rep my every post..."

Oh that's rich man.
  • 5 5
 @nurseben: right... you double posted here after stewing for 5 hours because of how much you don't care... ok... that's cool, I guess
  • 4 3
 @thegoodflow: lol this guy really went and made a couple burner accounts to upvote himself didn't he..
  • 4 2
 @nurseben: that's a hot take.

The same things that make full sus bikes special still apply to hardtails, probably even more so.

Geo, frame material, weight, fork travel, etc..

If what you said were true then a Yeti Arc would ride the same as a Kona Honzo ESD...and it most assuredly does not...meanwhile sus linkages are copied over and over..
  • 11 0
 I can't wait for the new fully revved Smash
  • 1 0
 same
  • 5 0
 Didn't think I'd be buying a new bike this year, but a fully revved Smash might change that plan.
  • 6 0
 Hopefully they will sell revved seat stays for every bike soon. I would gladly give them my money to buy a revved smash rear end to update the GG I bought last year before the vid hit. Having grown up in Denver it has been fun watching Guerilla Gravity grow into what they are today. Awesome company and the bikes are everywhere along the front range now. Good stuff. All while providing competitive specs and keeping prices low. After reading the Rocky Mountain review yesterday this article saved a lot of keyboard destruction from heavily typed posts about value, etc.
  • 7 1
 "Off with the offset. The rear wheel is now centered (zero dish) on the Revved
Carbon rear triangle."

THANK YOU!!!!!! I can now consider this bike since I tend to move wheels around between my bikes based on where and how I'm riding.
  • 2 3
 Its easy to change the dish for the offset wheels. GG explains it’s something like one rotation of the nipples.
  • 1 2
 @OldDert: bingo
  • 3 1
 @OldDert: so I’m supposed to do that any time I move wheels between bikes?

What if I move wheels back and forth every week? That would be 100+ minor adjustments to the wheel in a year.
  • 6 0
 @m-t-g hey Matt, should we expect updated geo on the new smash and gnarvana when they drop? I love everything about what you are doing as a company, but as a taller guy I’ve been bummed to see reach and stack decrease to accommodate the new revved modular frame platform (for example, your shortest travel bike currently has the longest reach....). Can we expect to see a longer and taller version of the squishier bikes? Or maybe a size 5??? I loved the tall stack on my original XL smash!
  • 6 0
 Full carbon Smash is gonna be my next build, 100%. I really love that a US company is making frames stateside. I think that's huge. And for a reasonable price!

I think there's been too much of a reliance on oversee manufacturing, across all US industries. Same goes for those Canada bois. Good on Chromag, DiVinici and others for trying to bring bike manufacturing back!
  • 12 3
 Wish there was an option for longer chain stays on larger sizes.
  • 10 3
 +1,000,000. Really all bikes should have size specific rear ends to achieve optimal balance and to have all sizes ride the same. I don't care if it's done through flip chips or bolt on means ala Banshee, just do it.
  • 7 4
 The chainstays are longer on the Smash and Gnarvana, but these are longer travel bikes.

Call GG and ask them about a configuration that would work for you.

I've ridden a lot of GG bike combos from mullet to 29" wheels on a 27.5 bikes, it's a very versatile bike frame concept.
  • 2 1
 @nurseben: So I'm okay with shorter travel bikes having shorter rear ends. The rear is not moving as much as suspension cycles and also the nature of the bike means it's not meant for mach chicken through gnar. I just think that as front center increases in each size up so should the rear center. Then how the bike rides is the same for all sizes.

I've conducted my own experiments on this with the bikes I've owned. I went from a large SB150 two seasons ago which was definitely unbalanced, hard to tune and really see sawed to a large Banshee Titan last year which was very balanced and honestly felt like it could do no wrong to then a S5 Stumpjumper Evo now which is feels a bit longer and maybe more stable than the Titan but is lighter and of course very tunable. Both the Evo and Titan have a front to rear center ratio that I deem "balanced" and on the trail that is proven.
  • 4 6
 @heatproofgenie: Okay, I got ask: Why would someone downvote my comment? That's kinda weird, it was a valid suggestion from someone who rides GG bikes. People have gotten so weird, I think social media has really effed folks up.
  • 4 0
 @nurseben: Dunno dude. I agree, lot's of weird downvotes in here. Almost like someone has a vendetta against GG.

Thing is though, everyone thinks what GG is doing is rad. I mean I can armchair QB their geo all day but I still think what the company is doing and stands for is great.
  • 3 2
 @heatproofgenie: Agreed, wierd stuff everywhere.

GG is the real deal, I've been on their bikes for a few years now, longer than any other bike, their bikes ride really well and they are a good bunch of folks.

If GG can make Revved chainstays, I'm hoping they can make rims, fingers crossed, Revved rims would be bomber and an awesome replacement for aluminum.
  • 1 0
 @nurseben: And the Rona too bro!!
  • 9 1
 Very impressive. I’m definitely GG curious. Keep up the great work.
  • 6 1
 Nice. Really cool to see a price increase that is commensurate with the update. How does this compare weight wise with say a Spur or Epic Evo? Haven't been paying attention to frame weights just complete bikes.
  • 4 1
 Im curious too if anyone has already done the research :p
  • 8 1
 The 300g weight savings on the frame is about 0.6 lbs. Off the top of my head the old trail pistol with aluminum rear end, with an average stock build (X01 drivetrain, aluminum wheels, no crazy weight saving measures) was about 29 lbs, so maybe 28 lbs built up if you're lucky. Again, off the top of my head, an average build Epic Evo weighs in around 26 lbs, so significantly lighter.

I also found that the epic evo frame (Fact 11m/non-S Works) weighs 1760g and the GG Trail Pistol weighs 2948g per their website, no word on sizes on either but assume size small or medium.

SO ya, it's still a lot heavier than the new crop of downcountry or burly XC bikes like the Epic Evo and the Spur, but the price on the GG is way cheaper, and IMO the biggest benefit is you can have a ~28lb downcountry Trail Pistol one day, swap in a ~$400 rear end/shock/fork and have a 170mm Gnarvana enduro machine the next.

Edit: you can see weights on GG's website, the race build is $6200, and a size small is listed at 27.9 lbs. The $5000 rally build is listed at 29.4 lbs. So pretty close to what I was thinking above as ~$6k gets you a pretty "average" build spec on an Epic Evo, the Expert build is $6300 and based on some quick googling is right around 26 lbs, so again pretty close to what I guessed above.
  • 4 0
 @tgent: Nice, thanks for that. You also forgot a big positive for GG over the other mentioned frames in that GG's carbon is much more impact resistant. I think having a really durable downcountry bike has a lot of merit. Even if a frame has a good warranty it's a pain to deal with breakage and then not having a bike and also the environmental issues with broken carbon frames should be accounted for.
  • 5 0
 @heatproofgenie: Totally! Lots of positives for GG such as swapping chainstay kits, impact resistance, made in the USA, cheapers, etc. Wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list, but I think they're a great company, making sick bikes, and an awesome option I'd recommend to anyone!
  • 8 2
 @tgent: Also keep in mind that Pinkbike's review said the Trail Pistol was the only downcountry bike in their shootout that they felt comfortable taking into the Whistler bike park. Comparing it to something that would make you think twice about going off of a drop is not apples to apples.
  • 8 0
 @m-t-g: I rode my OG Pistol at Keystone 2 years ago & hit the biggest drop I've ever sent. At no time did I feel under-biked. Burly feeling "trail" bike!
  • 2 6
flag westcoastbikeguy (Mar 11, 2021 at 17:11) (Below Threshold)
 @heatproofgenie: There is no one recycling these fibers. Not even GG. So to say its a positive when they are no different than others is weird and scammy marketing
  • 2 0
 @westcoastbikeguy: I did not say nor imply they were recycling. What I said is their flavor of carbon is more durable and the implication is that there would be less breakage and hence trashed frames.
  • 3 0
 @m-t-g: that’s review pulled the trigger for me on my pistol.
  • 2 0
 @tgent: Unfortunately, my biggest complaint with the 2020 TP is the weight. It is heavy for what it is and I went light on the build as much as I could. 30.0Lbs was the best I could do with all carbon components, Fox DPX and 36. Forkaster 2.6 and recon 2.4. Even used Ti fasteners. With 300g off that, its not gonna make a huge difference. BTW: old Frame weight was advertised 2950g without shock.
  • 1 0
 @Mattyhawk: You're not wrong, and if you're #1 priority is weight, no GG is right for you. All the other considerations on their frames is what make them a great option for many people who's #1 priority isn't weight. And you're right 300g isn't going to make a huge difference in itself, but it's a step in the right direction.

I have no idea what the true frame weight is, I just quoted what their website states, and that 2950g is for the new frame with shock, which makes sense.

BTW if you build up any of these super lightweight bikes with a 36, you're probably going to be pushing 28ish lbs anyway. Best to look at frame weights then you can ignore the build aspect. Per their respective websites, between the Epic Evo and the GG TP, there's 1190g (2.6lbs) between the frames, that's going to be your base difference between any build of an ultra lightweight xc bike like the Epic Evo and the TP. Not cool with that? Go with the lighter bike!
  • 7 0
 I love the picture of the team proudly holding the frame. Makes the heart smile.
  • 5 1
 This. This is going to be my next frame.

Long reach: ✅
Light: ✅
Modern geometry: ✅
Adjustable geometry: ✅
Affordable: ✅
Ability to turn it into an enduro bike by swapping out suspension & seat stays: *mind blown * ????????????

And I even like the graphics. So there
  • 3 0
 They said "Off with the offset. The rear wheel is now centered (zero dish) on the Revved
Carbon rear triangle," which I take to mean that you need to re-dish your wheel if you get a carbon rear triangle kit for your existing bike, and then your wheels wouldn't work with the other kits. Is that right?
  • 3 0
 Yes. Essentially you would need to change the dish going between alloy and carbon rear triangles.
  • 5 0
 Can't wait to see this in person. The pics look awesome and I'm pumped that Yoann Barelli has been riding the crap out of the prototype.
  • 6 3
 GG is turning into the next Yeti. Those of us with Metal GGs aren't getting any support from GG anymore. I had a stripped bearing cover on my 2018 trail pistol, GG couldn't help me. My buddy broke his rear swingarm GG didn't have any in stock to sell. Thanks for selling out GG!
  • 1 0
 Their plan is to be bigger than Yeti within 5 years.... or so an ex-employee told me. Lol cool.
  • 4 0
 Holy weight savings. I think if you dropped about a pound off some other manufacturers rear triangles you'd be left with no rear traingle.
  • 3 1
 Hope they do away with the bushings in the next iteration and go with full bearings. I thought bushings finally went away a decade ago with Rocky and Banshee holding out but giving you a stack of replacements at purchase before they finally threw in the towel. lol
  • 2 0
 For 120-140mm front travel, that is slack. For every 10mm you lose a degree or so.

So should you want to swap out the seat stays and turn it into some burlier, as they will soon have option to do, then you can probably expect a slacker HTA as a consequence

I’m loving this frame, got myself set on it, next major upgrade
  • 4 0
 Sorry for saying it over and over again. THIS down tube protector is toooooo short. As in any other frame.
  • 4 0
 the new rear triangle is 50% stiffer. Was the old triangle rideable at all?
  • 2 0
 So big fan from what I'm seeing but if this is a downcountry bike, I need my water bottles. Looks like the only thing that will work with this frame is those snap lock water bottles, can anyone confirm?
  • 1 0
 Looks very good. I'd say my biggest problem is the thin top tube. The top tube is in compression, and the downtube in expansion forces, but I think 90% of manufacturers make the downtube thicker for style, which doesn't make sense, but, "it is what it is". I didn't make the bike, and probably never will.
  • 2 0
 Got in a few hot laps on my Revved Pistola mullet freak of a bike this morning and I came home to this article. It's a damn good day Smile
  • 1 1
 They are late to the party, my party at least. If they would have offered a full-carbon frame two months ago, it would have been very high up my list. Now I own a Norco Optic and see no reason why I ever would need another bike.
  • 3 0
 Do they have any other colors besides black?
  • 8 0
 Like a model T, one color. But there are a half a dozen decal colors to choose from.
One owner, The-Notorious-PFC-MTB, did a sweet wrap job on theirs www.vitalmtb.com/community/The-Notorious-PFC-MTB,53246/setup,42410
  • 2 0
 @chrod: Whoa...that is very good looking!
  • 1 0
 @chrod: That is absolutely transformative in how much better looking that makes the bike. I don't mind the carbon graphite color, and the new decals are a *much* needed improvement, but still... some colors on the GG bikes would send them off the charts!
  • 2 0
 @mikealive: I would be a fan of a raw carbon look too. GG's early Revved press photos showed a frame that looked awesome in raw carbon. i0.heartyhosting.com/www.bikemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/20190129-_jmv_7162-970x647.jpg
  • 2 0
 @chrod: Woooow.. that raw looks SWEET. It's my understanding that they have to powder coat it because of something to do with UV reactivity, but that raw is the bees knees! Is there a clear UV protective coating out there? I think the raw look fits in with GG's ethos, I'd love to see that become an option..
  • 2 0
 @mikealive: Yeah Krylon makes a clear anti-UV spray, but I'm pretty sure GG would be slightly unhappy with me if I sanded the paint off and sprayed up mine. Maybe I'll wait till it's old and beat up, but then it should last 300% longer than my last frame...
  • 1 0
 @chrod: that is definitely way to go
  • 2 0
 When will the carbon triangle be available for the mega trail??
Asking for a friend!!!
  • 1 1
 You're almost two years late to the party my man.
  • 2 0
 Glad I held off this winter. As soon as the 27.5 version hits, I am on it! Well done GG!!
  • 2 0
 I was thinking along those lines - if this had 27.5 order would be placed.
  • 1 0
 @onemind123: I have to imagine we’ll be seeing it soon..hopefully!
  • 3 0
 Does it "Revs" to 9000 rpm?
  • 2 0
 These go to 11.....thousand.
  • 1 0
 finally get rid of offsets rear end, while it is superior idea of having offset rear end, it is not widely adopted, she for 30.9 dropper, cmon, move to larger diameter
  • 3 0
 Is there going to be a Pistola option on the new version?
  • 2 0
 It is compatible with the pistola shock.
  • 2 0
 That dude in the video should just take his saddle off and save some grams. :-)
  • 3 0
 Can I still Pistola it? How much for the carbon triangle?
  • 3 0
 You can pistola it.
  • 3 0
 Wish GG had gone the other way - an all aluminum option.
  • 4 0
 My next frame right here
  • 3 2
 When are the carbon stays coming for their other bikes?

What happens to the two position geometry and adjustable travel options?

When is GG gonna start making Revved rims?
  • 2 0
 YB will bring gg on the next level, few touches with look and feel, and they will beat sc
  • 3 0
 Nice job, dudes!
  • 3 0
 Smash??
  • 5 0
 I suspect they are going to come out with full carbon Smash soon too. It's been out of stock for a while now.
  • 2 0
 I emailed them in January asking for an eta on The Smash. The guy I spoke to told me early spring for the full lineup and that it would be worth the wait.
  • 2 0
 @LucWicklund: It is strange to consider the combination of this news today and that The Smash isn't available right now.
  • 2 0
 @olson44: I believe they use different rear triangles. So if it is the case that The Smash will be fully carbon, it could just be a manufacturing delay. Not sure though, just speculation.
  • 1 0
 At that price and with those details I may have to upgrade my aluminum GG. HOT!
  • 1 0
 Where is that trail Yoann is riding? Looks super fun and so different than what I usually ride.
  • 1 0
 Kamploops!
  • 2 0
 I've seen the new rear end in person and it looks so sweet.
  • 2 0
 Am I the only person that’s bummed out about using bushings?
  • 1 0
 I picked up a new GG frame last week...great. Now I have something to look forward to.
  • 1 0
 It's hilarious how the new all carbon trail pistol with a push 11-6 is still cheaper than an sb115 frame.
  • 1 0
 tried to see if I could buy one online and no option to purchase!!!
  • 2 1
 Call.
  • 3 1
 GG is killin' it!
  • 2 0
 Good Gob Guys
  • 1 0
 Very nice. Now please make a downhill/freeride bike!
  • 2 0
 I like it
  • 1 0
 Lots to love about this bike.
  • 1 0
 wanted to k ow if they're gona build America made carbon bars.
  • 2 0
 YES!!!
  • 1 0
 will it work with a push elevensix shock?
  • 3 2
 coil edition? Wink
  • 7 0
 You can run coil or air on any GG.
  • 1 0
 @tigerstripes:oh dope! actually didn't know that
lol
  • 8 9
 "Slack 66 degree head angle" Hmmm? Still dig these bikes a lot!
  • 5 0
 Geo chart on their website lists 65.4. Not sure why the presser says "slack 66....."?
  • 21 1
 I mean for a 120mm rig thats pretty damn slack. When you compare against most short travel trail rigs or "downcountry" rigs its a full degree slacker in some cases. Matches up pretty well with the Transition Spur and they both have 66 deg. Ibis Ripley and Spec Epic Evo are at 66.5. So its pretty slack for the type of bike.
  • 4 1
 @wilsonians: Makes sense now, thanks!
  • 3 0
 For a short travel bike is plenty slack. I don't really see a point in heaving a super enduro bike and a short travel trail bike with identical geometry.
  • 3 0
 I think others are right that 66 is fairly slack for it's class, but I have been running mine (Alloy version) at 64.5 and it rocks.
  • 4 1
 66 is slack for any trailbike, if that's not good enough for yall the bike isnt what's holding you back
  • 1 0
 you dont need less on that travel
  • 1 0
 For 120-140mm front travel, that is slack. For every 10mm you lose a degree or so.

So should you want to swap out the seat stays and turn it into some burlier, as they will soon have option to do, then you can probably expect a slacker HTA as a consequence

I’m loving this frame, got myself set on it, next major upgrade
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