DescendingThis feels like a big bike. Not just in travel numbers, but in pure footprint on trail. The rear wheel is way out behind you, and the front center has quite a presence as well. In conjunction, they make for a wheelbase that can be a bit tricky to navigate in tighter terrain, but really rewards you when you can open it up in faster sections. I actually struggled to find trails fast enough to make the bike feel nervous here in Bellingham, as the stretch limo wheelbase really carries speed with zeal.
On the other hand, I had an easy time finding terrain too steep for this bike, as that large footprint starts to bite a bit when things get slower and more vertical. The sensation boils down to the rear wheel being so far behind you that it's still hung up on obstacles you thought you passed a while back, making tight and feature-heavy trails a bit more of a handful. This effect made the ECC quite physical to ride on my typical eMTB test laps, where steep climbs beget even steeper descents, where the brakes get cooked and suspension support gets put to the test.
I found the DVO fork a bit lacking in the support department, preferring to ride deeper in travel once you broke through the initial portion of the travel. That firm top-end made the fork feel a bit insensitive over small chattery terrain, unless you really laid into it and kept it low in travel. When done right, it did perform very nicely in chunky higher speed terrain, where the damping kept you controlled in the middle of the stroke. It's hard to say whether that harsher top end is due to the OTT or the Cone Valve blow-off, but playing around with both settings didn't yield drastic differences.
Jumping the GasGas felt very easy, provided the lips were big and the speeds high. This is not a light bike, and the suspension preferred to sit in and plow rather than pop off smaller side hits and dance over root sections. This bike does best when you just push down through that stuff and let it soak up the bumps. Fast and well-supported turns are a treat on the ECC, where you can really shove your weight into the bike and let it sprawl out to provide traction and plenty of balance between the wheels.
I found the choice to spec 29" wheels front and rear a bit surprising, considering how many long-travel eMTBs are coming with mixed wheels these days. I think that mixed wheel choice is for good reason, as something about the handling characteristics of heavier e-bikes in steep terrain makes the rear tire buzz problem a little more pronounced. I had a few skimmers with the ECC's rear wheel, and ended up erring towards a more aggressive forward-biased position to make up for it.
In addition to being difficult to handle in steep terrain, the extremely long rear center made for one more negative: this bike is damn near impossible to manual. It can be done, but you better be ready to put your back into it.
I also have DVO coil on my bike and its sick.
For reference, mine came on a build & the fork had bind out of the box but DVO NZ sorted it within 2 days with shipping and it runs so damn good now.
Scratch not out of the box. Atleast ye used to.
To have a bad fork after that means it really is bad
Into this haha
Nah his fork came on a Merida somthing something. And we gave it the aftermarket treatment the way we do for any fork we sell, we don’t really have to with the new Onyx and diamond forks but we do anyway just because we are pedantic dickheads haha
Given I just witnessed someone return a demo with $1500 of rock damage to it (scored stanchion, downtube, seat tube, motor, chain stay AND seat stay), are sacrificial plastics on a mountain bike really a stupid idea, assuming they don't rattle, squeak, interfere etc? I like Ride Wrap as much as the next guy or girl, but in a situation like this, or tomahawking a bike down the trail, it wouldn't have done anything to protect it.
What says the Pinkbike braintrust?
Maybe not
Although I've also ridden bikes with huge progression ratios that a coil would bottom out endlessly with a low sag value.
I think I need to learn more about suspension kinematics. PB community do what you do best, unsolicited expert advice... but its being solicited this time.
That explains the lack of response. Better to not give away you actually want advice.
possible exception being the Orbea Rise - which compromises more than trades...
Shiny boat anchor for $11k. Get one if you:
1. Don't enjoy mtn biking.
2. The neighbor bought a less expensive one.
3. The chrome you added to your lifted H2 hummer is fading faster than the top on your Tiptronic Cabriolet.
4. Don't have back problems.
5. Want to pedal it home when you run out of juice.
6. Are thinking about adding a rear view mirror or two
7. Think you're getting motocross developed suspension.
8. Want to park it next to your cannondale motorcycle
9. Want to park your fire truck while watching riders enjoy the rhythm sections.
10. You just simply need to be "that guy/girl"
This thing may be too heavy to qualify.
I don’t object to e-bikes. I do find the industry and user indifference to legal access to be troubling.
And by the way, data are quite clear: people, on or off road, ride less with a motored-biycle, not more.
And the most ridiculous thing: pinkbike still comments on their climbing capability ... as if one actually had to put any effort going up! Come on, to think that this has anything to do with Mountain Biking is just absurd.
It's totally not a motorbike bro!
Everyone likes to draw arbitrary lines on the purity of cycling, and cast shame on those that don't adhere to their personal standard.
Have you ever talked to urban fixie riders. "you gotta feeeeeel every crack in the road dude" They won't hear about any of this suspension nonsense. To them we look like idiots, seeking out rough terrain, only to have 160 mm of travel to soak it up.
The only bad bike, is a bike in a garage.
it's tribalsim
Pinkbike please send me my cheque ASAP
Also, I don't think that most beginning mountain bikers are checking pinkbike everyday. This is definitely a bubble of avid consumers/riders, not a reflection of all people on MTB's.