Regarding the Adam Brayton situation, someone, such as a group of leading riders, has got to forcefully articulate the case that the current UBC DH leadership does not understand the fanbase and will run this thing into the ground if they don't change course. Mountain bike racing is a sport of the people, and the format of the race weekend supports both elite pros, privateers, some of whom are very popular for legacy reasons, as well as juniors, and indeed, running both men and women in the same race weekend. The notion that you will court some mythical causal fanbase by restricting the field down to a small number of currently elite racers, is just wrong. I think these guys get Formula 1 fever and assume that salvation lies in the public only having to pay attention to 20 guys. But that's nonsense in the context of downhill and even in F1, there are more like 120 racers in the four or so series racing in a given race weekend.
@Muckal: This is how I've understood it to be. And why the Atherton's have listed Gee (and I think Dan as well) in their team roster from the beginning of the season, what many were wondering at the time. In short, when you've paid the elite team participation fees, everyone listed on the team is good to go. It's just that most teams don't/ can't have these kind of occasional riders available to keep on their lists in case they want to take part later in the season.
What I don't fully understand is the needlessly complicated points system keeping Brayton from taking part.
@wolftwenty1: It was today I learned from the newer PB article there are two types of points in the game. The series points that determine your world cup ranking, AND separate UCI points (individual reference ranking points) that you can get from the finals which don't have anything to do with the series ranking but you must have accumulated before a certain date to enter the races. Brayton has the first, but not the latter.
I'm still not sure how you can gather those UCI points to be able to race, if you don't have those points and are unable to race and get into the finals, but apparently doing other UCI races? So even if you're doing pretty well in the world cup, you can't just focus on that unless you're in an elite team with guaranteed racing slots. Someone commented in the other article that surely the riders should check the rules beforehand, but really I can't blame someone trying to navigate the world cup circuit on their own if they can't keep up with these rather detailed rules and dates 100%.
@donimo: Ah yea that makes sense. I mean it sucks, but its like the banned substance drama with Martin a few years back...this is your job...gotta stay up on the rules even as they change. Either way...semi-finals need to go away, stupid format.
that was pretty much my reaction and i hope the message gets to the right people. especially hearing it from BK as well. when the top elites are calling out the BS it's time to make some changes.
Adam Brayton out qualified Sam Hill at every WC race this season. Yet as Sam Hill is a factory rider, he doesn't need to worry about having enough points to race. Something isn't right here. I know what would happen in football if someone was out performing his team mate.
Agreed, but maybe what we’re seeing is that the riders have more pressing concerns on their minds than the track. Race format, prize money, deserving riders being locked out of competition, privateers struggling so much that they’re so stoked to have a decent meal… this is what’s on their minds.
Great idea start bagging on BK rather then the real problem of the UCI or the leeches that are behind them. These comments section needs to wake up and stop looking over the garden fence at people who actually did something with the life
i LOVE THE STOKE. This talk about privateers having a hard time bums me out, so it's awesome to see new blood move up and get so excited to have support. The privateer award is so cool, and it's worth of more and more attention.
W: Any things you can change up? D: The speed. W: The speed? D: Yeah. W: How do you change that from race to race? D: Use the brakes less. Carry more speed.
At the start of Bernard’s video today he walks up on Gee track walking with hiking poles, that’s his indication that he must be serious about track walk and is probably racing lmao. Then he tells Wyn. Gee had a suspicious no comment, could’ve just been playing with them.
@pisgahgnar: pardon my ignorance, and i would be super stoked to watch the legend make a return, but how do people like adam brayton miss out on this race (and im no fanboy of his but i have seen he doesnt have the points to race here?) among others, and even legends can just jump in?
no dig at anyone, im new to watching all this tbh. if im wrong about people not being qualified to race here then my bad.
@WkDayWarrior: you need a certain number of points to qualify, which basically means you need to race. For whatever reason Gees points must still be valid and Braytons are not. They can also get in if they are nominated by their federation - possibly brayton hasn't tried that avenue, or didn't get support for some reason?
@russthedog: if you are listed on a UCI team then you can race, regardless of how many points you have. Gee is listed as an Atherton rider. If you are not on a team, then you can race if you have the required number if UCI points. Or you can apply for a national team spot if you don’t have enough points.
@WkDayWarrior: he might be able to race/practice under a GB jersey. I think that's the only other way you get on track without the points. but I don't know how you go about getting one? I assume Rachel will have had to do the same at the start of the season as she wouldn't of had any points in the bag either till she did the first race
@RPJN: nope, it’s simple. If you are listed on a team you can race, regardless of points. Rachael, Gee, Dan were listed as riders and can do whatever races they want. If you are not on a team, and have 40. UCI points you can race as a a privateer.
If you don’t have 40 points, you can apply for a national team spot. I love Brayton, I wish he was racing but the rules are pretty clear. The UCI posts the standings every week and it’s clear how many pints each rider has .
I like BK as much as everyone else, but man it’s hard to hear him talk about all the money he’s made off the sport, and then immediately complain that the prize money is crap. Meanwhile, privateer bro is properly stoked on life. Quite the contrast. Seriously hope this system gets sorted next season.
thats bullshit making him out to be greedy or a hypocrite, he has clearly explained why he complains about the prize money and its not just for him. He doesnt like that ALL of the riders get taken advantage of and that very few of them want to unionise or stand together to make it better.
and even if he was being selfish, so what? there are aspects of the sport that are far from rider friendly, and they are what counts, they are who put their bodies on the line for our entertainment, so they should be paid accordingly. or at least get their fair share of any revenues the tv/streaming companies get in.
Maybe bad timing on his part, but his point is valid. Ultimately if anything's going to change the reality is the top guys will have to be the ones that speak out and they've all done pretty well out of the sport.
Have you seen his cars. They are hardly flash, even if it is a Ferrari. He may not own all of it.. doesn't look like he spends $ on anything but cars. He has 3 jobs. rider, manager, social media. I would hope the first 2 are 100k each. he is a top rider. he is always working. Has responsibility for 15 to20 staff. seems well deserved to me. Seems like a good dude and is well respected.
@JNZ: He was totally ripped off by the garage and refused to pay (they replaced parts that were not needed, and he caught them out), the debt collector is part of the system to solve the disagreement.
@gcrider: He has a G-wagon! Why would you figure that they pay 100k each. If Pivot actually had that much money to spend on a rider, seems unlikely, but maybe. Wouldn't they get someone better then BK, who is typically a 12-20 place rider. Also don't think I have heard of a single sport in the world where a team rider is a team manager, and it isn't essentially just kick around.
@gcrider: Lets keep in mind from Pinkbike's own stats on Downhill (70 riders who have finished in the top 40 over the last 2 years) pay only 10.4% of riders (thats 7 people) earned over $100,000 a year. No doubt BK could be in there but I doubt its $200k plus
@JNZ: True. Their pay is crappy as a whole, given the risk and the opportunity cost involved with the travelling etc. . I did say hope. He should get more for manager, which may not be in those figures.
Hear Hear! BK is one of the top guys and he is speaking out about things he feels are disadvantaging not just him but all the riders. He has often vocally questioned how the current scheme will harm the grass roots aspect of up and coming racers. He has done well for himself in this business but it is through hard work. Loic and Finn wanted to form a union but I don't hear as much from them publicly protesting what's poor about the current sport. BK has to be careful not to cut his own throat. He's a racer/competitor (one paycheck), he's a team manager of a very successful multi age/gender and discipline team (second paycheck), and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe owner of Pivot Factory Racing (not the bike company-just the race team) which would be a third revenue. Also, very popular on social media and well sponsored privately (fourth paycheck?)
@WkDayWarrior: the words greedy, selfish, and hypocrite were not included in my post. That’s wasn’t an oversight. I feel none of those traits coming from [internet] BK. I respect what he’s done, whatever it is and wherever he started. Don’t care. Dude is a legend, and I like what he’s [trying] to say for the whole sport. However, his message would carry more validity, in my humble opinion, if it wasn’t coming from a position of looking like you’ve done very very well off the sport. Clearly BK has a number of hats, and is working his ass off.
What I don't fully understand is the needlessly complicated points system keeping Brayton from taking part.
I'm still not sure how you can gather those UCI points to be able to race, if you don't have those points and are unable to race and get into the finals, but apparently doing other UCI races? So even if you're doing pretty well in the world cup, you can't just focus on that unless you're in an elite team with guaranteed racing slots. Someone commented in the other article that surely the riders should check the rules beforehand, but really I can't blame someone trying to navigate the world cup circuit on their own if they can't keep up with these rather detailed rules and dates 100%.
D: The speed.
W: The speed?
D: Yeah.
W: How do you change that from race to race?
D: Use the brakes less. Carry more speed.
Too good, Danny is a treasure!
no dig at anyone, im new to watching all this tbh. if im wrong about people not being qualified to race here then my bad.
If you are not on a team, then you can race if you have the required number if UCI points. Or you can apply for a national team spot if you don’t have enough points.
If you are listed on a team you can race, regardless of points. Rachael, Gee, Dan were listed as riders and can do whatever races they want.
If you are not on a team, and have 40. UCI points you can race as a a privateer.
If you don’t have 40 points, you can apply for a national team spot.
I love Brayton, I wish he was racing but the rules are pretty clear. The UCI posts the standings every week and it’s clear how many pints each rider has .
As much as I can see why people would be mad about brayton. I would love to see Gee Atherton in the race. For sure.
and even if he was being selfish, so what? there are aspects of the sport that are far from rider friendly, and they are what counts, they are who put their bodies on the line for our entertainment, so they should be paid accordingly. or at least get their fair share of any revenues the tv/streaming companies get in.
Have you seen his cars. They are hardly flash, even if it is a Ferrari.
He may not own all of it..
doesn't look like he spends $ on anything but cars.
He has 3 jobs. rider, manager, social media. I would hope the first 2 are 100k each. he is a top rider.
he is always working.
Has responsibility for 15 to20 staff.
seems well deserved to me. Seems like a good dude and is well respected.
Ben Cathro, you should be in line for an F40 too.