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DH Field Test: Intense M1 - For Your Gnarliest Trails

Jun 24, 2024 at 17:06
by Henry Quinney  

Welcome to the 2024 Downhill Field Test. We put together five great race bikes to compare the latest generation of World Cup sleds. In this group test, we'll be covering the Giant Glory, Commencal Supreme, Frameworks Downhill Bike, YT Tues, and this, the Intense M1. Stay tuned for your weekly fill, with each review dropping on Wednesdays.





There is something about a big, red, metal Intense that will cause a spark for many mountain bikers. For a new bike being raced at the highest level, there is something distinctly nostalgic about the M1. Before you go cutting air-holes in your jersey, it's probably worth acknowledging that this, of course, isn't by accident, and Intense is definitely not above leaning into their rich heritage.

The M1 is a very different bike to some others on this test, with a distinctive silhouette. However, when compared to its peers, is it a fresh vintage or an empty reminder?
Details
• Frame: 6061-T6 aluminum
• Wheel sizes: 29" front, 27.5" rear
• 6-bar, high-pivot
• Travel: 203mm (linear) / 212mm (progressive), 203mm fork
• 63-degree head angle
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Reach: 430, 450, 470 (tested), 490mm
• Chainstays: 445mm
• Weight: 18.6 kg / 41.2 lb
• Price: Pro - $7499.99 USD, Expert - $5999.99 USD, Frame Only - $3599.99 USD
intensecycles.com



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Henry Quinney
Location: Squamish
Height: 183cm / 6'
Inseam: 82 cm / 32.5"
Weight: 79 kg / 174 lbs
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @henryquinney

bigquotesEverything about this bike made it feel like a monster, and the confidence inspired on steep trails shouldn't be understated. Henry Quinney




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Frame Details


The bike uses mixed wheels and looks to have a race-ready focus. The cables all run externally, and while the open design looks like a honeytrap for all kinds of mud and debris, it also drains well when you wash it. While there are plenty of ways for mud to get in and behind the layout, there are also plenty of places it can run off.

The frame is all-metal, and although this bike is clearly built for racing, it lacks geometry adjustment compared to other bikes on this test. You get the large headtube, which racers will love, but that angle or reach-adjust headset you could fit would be the only way to adjust the geometry. There is no chainstay adjustment or flip-chips on this bike. The latter is easy to forgive, but I think that while chainstay adjustment can be a bit of a headache to design because of having to incorporate the needs of the brake, I think it would be very fitting to have on any downhill bike, especially one with middle-of-the-road 445mm chainstays.

One adjustment this bike does have, though, is two positions for the lower shock mount. This means the bike can be set to a progressive or linear setting, which also gives a different travel output by 9mm.




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Suspension


The suspension of the Intense is a somewhat bewildering prospect, and not only because of the language one uses to describe layouts. In the literature I've read from Intense, they have often referred to it as a six-bar and also a six-link layout. Upon further reflection, I think it's in the latter's camp. Although a lot is going on, it boils down to being a linkage drive four-bar (the chainstay, seat stay, and two swing links make up the four-bar, which then subsequently drives the shock via a rocker).

The bike's linear position gives it 27% progression across its travel, and the progressive mode gives a value of 30%. Both should be ample, but it's good to see different settings that might help offset rider preference or spring type.

While the high-pivot does kill drivetrain interference nearly dead, there is a large sway in the anti-squat values depending on what gear you're in, and you do feel this out on the trail should you go to stamp on the pedals. While not the largest consideration for a downhill bike by any means, racers, as well as anyone who's ever cranked hard into a sketchy pull, would appreciate something with more support in the larger gears, especially when the bike is already outfitted with an idler.

The high-anti-rise value gives a bike that tracks very well when braking, all without creating excessive feedback through your feet. On paper, a lower value keeps braking more independent, but in the real world, I want my suspension to be encouraged to work and follow the ground, irrespective of grip.

The axle path's inflexion point is just beyond the midway point in the travel. During testing, I didn't feel any pronounced hangups at this part, and it remained smooth, controlled, and consistent throughout its stroke.

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Geometry


Designing a downhill bike's geometry is more nuanced than one might think. Whereas with trail and enduro bikes, there is an expectation of versatility, with downhill bikes, there is an assumption that everybody riding the bike will be doing so with the same intentions on a similar style of track. Of course, that just isn't true. There are people who want a bike park-shredder, others who want a true race bike, and some who want the single most capable bike money can buy.

The geometry of the M1 gives it an upright position. Its 63-degree head angle is quite commonplace, but there are other values which, when put together, combine to give quite a rearward weight bias. The 642mm stack and 470mm reach lay the foundations for a bike that will come alive on steeper sections. But whereas this could be offset with a longer chainstay to weight the front more, the Intense almost doubles down with a 445mm rear end. While this isn't short, it does further help to keep the rider's weight rearward.

While 470mm reach might not sound like a lot for a size large, it's worth considering why downhill bikes often have a shorter horizontal distance between the bottom bracket and headtube. For instance, an enduro bike with a 480mm reach and a 63 head angle will have a front-centre of around 840mm.

The intense, with its shorter reach, has a front centre of around 845. That's because the longer fork pushes the axle out so much further forward. For that reason, I happily ride downhill bikes with a shorter reach. You can reap the benefits of the slack geometry without having the axle so far in front of you that it's hard to affect.






Test Bike Setup

All the bikes on this test were outfitted with Schwalbe Tacky Chan control tires, and the forks were set to a base 205mm between the seal and lower crown. The bars were all cut to 770mm, and we were in the position where all bikes used the Fox 40. The M1 came with the new Grip X2 damper. While there is a marked difference in feel between the Grip2 and Grip X2 in the 38 that I tested, I found the 40 with different dampers less hard to pick apart.

While I tried both modes for the shock, I quite liked the progressive one. It might not have been quite as sharp as the linear mode, but the tracking was incredible, and the bike still offered a very adequate level of support in the mid-stroke. I ran the stock 500lb spring and opted for a setting that was highly damped, slightly softer and quite quick in its return stroke.




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Descending


When looking back at the downhill bike field test, if I had to choose one of these bikes to ride gnarly, scary downhill, it would be the Intense.

That said, isn't that what downhill bikes are for? And isn't that the whole point? Well, yes. However, they offer it to different degrees. The Giant and YT almost felt like big-enduro bikes more than downhill sluggers, the Frameworks pushed the envelope a little further, and the Commencal is something out on its own, offering a weighted and precise front yet an ability to suck to the ground like nothing else I have ever ridden. The M1, however... the M1 was different.

Everything about this bike made it feel like a monster, and the confidence inspired on steep trails shouldn't be understated. As mentioned earlier, key geometry dimensions give this bike a very rearward weight bias. That comes alive when it's steeper, but it can feel a little lifeless on anything but fast, committing trails. On flatter turns or bike park runs, it just feels a bit light on the front. While it doesn't suffer from handle-bar flop per se, I think it would be a better bike if the front were more weighted. It would still offer a huge amount on the trails it currently thrives on, and an extra 10 or 15mm on the rear end won't undo the modern, downhill-honed geometry, but it could well mean you carry more speed out of the flat corner after the chute of death you just rode down.

The M1 covers a lot of bases. The geometry does usher in a great body position; however, I think if your weight was shuffled forward a bit, it would only give you more precision.

The suspension plays into this as well to a degree. For me, I can't see a reason why you wouldn't want to reap the benefits of a high-pivot and idler on a downhill bike. This bike doesn't have the same all-out traction as the Commencal in either mode, but it does offer an incredibly stable chassis and an ability to make the roughest, fastest sections feel neutral and controlled. People wanting to generate pop for bike park jump lines may also find that even in the linear mode, it tends to absorb rider inputs when driving into lips.

On the brakes, that high initial anti-rise means that when coupled with a relatively quick rebound setting, the tracking over medium holes while on the brakes is very, very good. It manages to do so without disrupting the chassis or ever pushing the rider's weight forward. It stayed muted, tracking and effective. The lessening influence of the braking as the bike goes through its stroke means that it doesn't feel like it ever overwhelms the travel later in the stroke or packs up as you break over rough terrain before you even get into the turn.



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Technical Report

Fox Suspension: The gold stuff is good, and while the Grip X2 doesn't represent a huge leap forward in their 40, it also doesn't harm what was already an excellent product. The tracking and sensitivity of the 40 is excellent, and it manages to offer great tracking while also not feeling unstable on the small bumps. While small bump tracking is, of course, very important, it's important to consider that instability and sensitivity are different sides of the same coin. The 40 walks that tightrope very well.

TRP Drivetrain and Brakes: The TRP stuff works well; however, I am not yet convinced it offers the same level of performance, fit or quality when compared to other brands' high-end equipment. It just feels a bit cheaper, with a plastic feel. Ultimately, it wouldn't be worth swapping out, but it is worth remembering that this bike isn't exactly cheap. The ergonomics are far inferior to its rivals, and it tended to skip whenever even small amounts of mud or grit were introduced to the cassette.

Intense Carbon Handlebar: I am not in anyway opposed to carbon frames. In fact, I'm neutral about frame material, and you get good and bad executions of each. That said, the one part I want to be alloy on a downhill bike is the bar, and the idea of putting a carbon bar on a metal frame is counterintuitive, to say the least.



Pros

+ Shines on steeper, rougher trails
+ Stable chassis even under hard braking
+ Idler keeps the feet calm, no matter what the trail is doing
+ A race bike that will shine on the gnarliest trails
+ Easy to work on

Cons

- Feels lifeless on some bike park trails
- The frame is missing a few final finishing pieces: fork bumpers, proper chain slap protection (it hits against the housing), and housing rubs the top tube.
- Doesn't offer much pop
- Would benefit from more weight on the front




Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesIntense is back, and back with a bang. They clearly wanted to make a very capable race bike, and they have absolutely done that. However, while this bike is incredible on the steepest, fastest trails, it isn't markedly more capable than the Supreme, and the Commencal simply offers more front-end grip for the turns, flat sections and flow trails that link up the gnarly sections we love to ride.

The M1 is a great bike, and is worthy of the name, however it will suit those riders who want to push their limits all the time, rather than make the most out of all the mountain.
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137 Comments
  • 119 6
 I sold my DH bike because I felt like it was begging me to ride as fast as possible all the time and it bit me a couple times. This sounds like that on crack.
  • 61 0
 Sounds intense
  • 10 1
 Same story for me as well. The more speed I was gaining the greater the bike felt, which was thrilling and awesome. Nothing compares IMO. But I only had the strenght and mental focus to do it for one lap at best. After that I was just riding over my abilities for the rest of the day. Sold it with my head against my heart, I still miss it 5y later haha
  • 13 0
 In contrast I am much more relaxed on the DH bike. I don't have the self control to ride less aggressive trails on my enduro bike, so the DH bike allows for such more lax line choice and a way larger margin of error in tech and jumps.
  • 5 1
 Similar story for me. Broke my foot for a second time (just another break to add to the list) and decided enough was enough. 6 weeks later, first time out, took the DH bike and decided to do the largest step down I'd attempted. Went great...but at that point, I was like "this thing is gonna kill me at some point".

Sold a few days later.
  • 3 0
 @NickMT: You learn a lot ridding same trails in both bikes,if trail is good for a DH bike of course. I have trails you can ride both bikes and DH bike made a huge boost on jumps and really beat up segments.
Have an Specialized Enduro & Demo S4,both bikes are awesome.
The Enduro scary me the most to be honest,very easy to gain speed over whatever terrain but then you need to be spot on to not eat dirt at the first chance.
  • 2 0
 @NickMT: Its like the opposite for me. I just ride the chunky downhill tracks on the enduro bike and I feel content when I'm using all the travel while keeping it 80% within my skill level. If I rode a DH bike taking lax lines, the next lap a little voice in my head would tell me to try and gap it this time.
  • 3 3
 Same reason I stick to a hardtail for trail riding. I achieve the same challenge/adrenaline at lower speeds.
  • 2 1
 I know what you mean. Part of me really wants another DH bike... but at the same time, I know I lack the skills needed to ride one at the speeds required to allow the bike to work as designed. Nor do I want to deal with the consequences when I run out of talent.
  • 2 0
 @homerjm: Yeah this is what I'm referring to, the enduro bike which begs to be ridden on the same trails at similar pace. I.e. you can ride dirt merchant at trail speed on a trail or enduro bike but a case or blowing a berm is much more likely result in a major crash. I tend to try and ride whatever on the bike I have (WC tracks, jump lines, etc.)cruising at trail speed for features but not push the limits much.

I do definitely get that being on a DH bike encourages many people to re-adjust completely where you ride, the limits of speed, and feature size- so the other approach of managing risk via the bike you ride also makes complete sense based on your mentality.
  • 4 0
 I’m the opposite. I’m 55 and ride a downhill bike at cruise speeds and just enjoy the plush feel of how the suspension is set up - for the way I ride which is 0.0001% of World Cup pace. If you don’t enjoy riding a DH bike ii’s not because you are slower it’s because the bike is setup wrong.
  • 3 0
 @sfarnum: so this. Riding at the limit of the bike gives the thrill. If that limit is at 20kph, a fall doesn't hurt so much, at 50 you're f*cked! My problem is my 46 year old knees can't do hard tails any more Frown
  • 1 0
 @dicky1080: Right, it’s playing chicken with the bike’s limits that’s fun, not the speed itself.

Same reason I’d rather have a Miata or WRX than a Lamborghini. Where can I go fast enough to find a supercar’s limits without risking myself and others?
  • 1 0
 @dicky1080: I´m 40, ACL done in my left knee 3 years ago and ripping has hard as I could hehehe. Only thing I never do now is taking my left foot out to the pedal,I´m more cautious walking than on the DH bike to be fair.
Knee pain is very related with meniscus tear&wear,that´s why I try not to force my knee doing boring things like pedal many km or even commuting.
  • 1 0
 @homerjm: yeah man, it sucks ass getting old hey?! I don't get any time to ride nower days and at 46 years old I can see my muscles wasting away, plus all the old injuries, body is getting fragile. When I can get a bit of time I take the kids to the pump track and just ride there. I miss the hill so much
  • 51 1
 I honestly really love this bike (at least based on what they're saying about it). In my mind, if it doesn't corner as hard as others, that's an easy & relatively low risk area to make up for by adjusting how you ride. If it's the opposite, and a bike doesn't fit the steep, tough, technical & gnarly sections, it's way tougher and higher risk to make up that difference in your riding style.
In short, this bike has the hard sections covered and the easy sections are up to you.
  • 18 0
 ...Also, it's nice that it doesn't cost a fortune and is friendly towards the mechanics and their frustrations!
  • 10 0
 My current dh bike was chosen for all of the attributes you listed. Its safe and fast in the rough, steep, and deep. Its aluminum, built like a tank, easy to maintain, and not silly expensive. This intense sounds like it checks all the right boxes for a working mans dh bike to me and I see no cons listed that sound super valid. Sounds like intense's team did a good job with this one. Now I want to see the gearbox one become a market reality. Almost would tempt me to swap frames.
  • 2 0
 @cougar797: @cougar797: The only complaint that's kind of worrying is the one about the drive train skipping with just the smallest amount of grime on it. Considering all the problems Trek had with the latest slash and Session, I wonder how much is down to the groupset, and how much is caused by frame details.

I've been curious about high pivots, but my "normal" bike gives me enough drive train issues that I've kind of been scared to make the jump.
  • 5 0
 @Glory831Guy: have a buddy with a gates gearbox. It works great in the mud. It kinda self cleans and if you look at the tooth depth there’s no way that stuff’s skipping haha. We use gates belts for stuff at work. Stuff is industrial duty, mtb chains aren’t. I’ve ridden one, I want one now. All these “I heard” things are all from people who have never tried it.
  • 3 0
 @Glory831Guy: easy to swap out drivetrain. i get it that "you shouldn't need to do that on a bike that costs that much!". but if it's really an issue then at least it's an easy one to fix.
  • 1 0
 @cougar797: Love the term "Working mans DH bike"!
  • 38 1
 Gwin and Dak made this bike exactly what they wanted and will never get to race a season on it is a shame. Damn shame. Gwins best chance at another win was on this machine. SMH
  • 52 0
 Dak doesn't exactly seem to be struggling with his new ride though.
  • 7 0
 @AndrewHornor: Dak’s results have been solid, if you listen to him on the BPractice podcast, you hear from him that there are details he wants different on his new bike.
  • 2 0
 @wda1wustl: Like stack height! Lol
  • 3 0
 @wda1wustl: that's my primary source for DH coverage! He'll always be tweaking something. I find it impressive how well he's adapted to a bike that he says is completely opposite
  • 38 1
 DH Bikes should be reviewed by people with a depth of DH bike experience, I welcome seeing Matt Beer's write ups.
  • 14 43
flag paulskibum FL (Jun 26, 2024 at 11:30) (Below Threshold)
 He's just such a dreary presenter.
  • 33 4
 @paulskibum: He's not dreary, he's just measured and focused. He also has a serious resume as a former national champion in DH. If you're here for reviews on the fastest DH bikes, it helps to have the perspective of someone who actually rides fast.
  • 10 37
flag paulskibum FL (Jun 26, 2024 at 12:14) (Below Threshold)
 @fentoncrackshell: I dont doubt his resume, skill and insight I just start drifting off into a coma when he is talking. Luckily he says so little I dont go full coma before he stops talking.
  • 1 0
 At whistler and I can tell you most people aren't really riding their DH bikes. This review is perfect for the masses that are buying these. That said I would love to hear what the pros actually think even though most of us mortals can't touch their pace.
  • 29 1
 Great review! Looking forward to the rest of the field test
  • 25 7
 con: no water bottle mount.

wait. wrong style of bike.
  • 24 0
 But honestly though... I get thirsty in the park too!
  • 11 0
 I was looking for the "climbing" section.
  • 12 2
 Mondraker prototype has bottle mounts. I see no reason not to incorporate bottle mounts that can double as a mount for a telemetry system for race teams.
  • 2 2
 @ridedigrepeat: @succulentsausage: bottle mounts less DH / rat park bikes has been the most pointless dogmatic sustain stupidity so far... even now seeing pros adding weights down there... it even improves your riding carrying a full one!
  • 16 0
 Clearly username checks out. Intense brand, only works in intense terrain. At least they’re honest.
  • 9 0
 I would totally buy this baby.. if there were only mountains or DH trails where I live Frown . But that’s a piece of art right there!!
  • 15 4
 No V10 in the field test? Come on brah.
  • 16 6
 Could’ve been great to see which breaks first, the Commencal main frame or the V10 rear end….
  • 23 0
 I'm more surprised the Supernought was left out, and I'm a full on Santa Cruz fan boy. It's a pretty interesting new bike from a new brand which seems to be performing well in the elites
  • 1 0
 An oversight to be sure. That bike feels so planted and sure on everything. May not be the fastest but it sure is smooth and capable.
  • 2 0
 @gnarnaimo @norcalbike as usual with these group tests, we’d love to test all of the bikes out there in a controlled environment, back to back, but for a number of reasons, that’s not possible.

Timing constraints, personal matters, and other delivery set backs required shifting a lot of this Field Test around. That also condensed how much time we could spend on each bike to give valid feedback.

The V10 review will follow shortly and the Supernought is on our wish list too.
  • 1 0
 @mattbeer: Of course. Yeah it's unreasonable to expect yall to do all the new bikes we all want tested. You all do an awesome job with these field tests and reviews. Thanks for the heads up on the V10 review!
  • 1 0
 @gnarnaimo: I hear ya, but IMO bikes like the v10 and demo 8 have long been standard bearers by which others are judged in this segment, thus the importance of their inclusion.
  • 1 0
 @norcalbike: Valid point
  • 51 44
 as usual the Pinkbike team can't forget their own geometry preferences...and actually ride and review the bike. Yes, we get it...you like longer chain stays. Mention it once....and then ride the bike you have been provided.
  • 12 2
 And for that high front end rubbish too it's bars stem spacers combo. Adjust to your preference like 75mm bars for some...
  • 10 12
 Yeah, that long chainstay thing has gotten to the point where I would either custom-mate a small frame CS to a larger bike, or just get an older bike with the shorter CSs. I had a Trek Rumblefish with like a 450mm chainstay and while it was stable, 430mm is WAY more fun to ride.
  • 9 0
 It’s interesting too because I’ve always been a fan of longer chainstays because of my size and preferring a more balanced ride and I used to get so much heat for it on here. Even from the Pinkbike team. So it’s quite funny now seeing the change! (Personally I’m in the boat of happy all sizes are still made as in people who prefer short, can still find short, and those that prefer longer, can finally get that too)
  • 3 1
 @bat-fastard: Yah that part puzzled me as well. There's a reason those spacers are made to move around haha.
  • 86 6
 @pwkblue I disagree absolutely 100%. I think that we all have bias built in, and being honest and clear with what you like is far better than pretending there is a perfect conceptual bike - which there isn't. All reviews are opinions, and it's better to be transparent with what you want and what you prefer than live under the lie that you are some purveyor of truth. If you're honest about what you want, then readers can align with that or disagree with it, but at least they know then.

I hope that's not too direct, but I feel acknowledging it is important. Thanks for commenting and taking the time to read it. Cheers
  • 17 3
 @henryquinney: that's fair, but then why should it be listed as a con? Pros and cons should be more objective or at least more suited to the reader
  • 4 0
 @thustlewhumber: Out of curiosity: How would you describe your riding style? Aggressive pressure on the bars or more neutral, relaxed?
Over the years I noticed that bikes usually can corner very similarly with all kind of chainstays, but on short CS I tend to really have to actively put a lot of force into the bar to get the proper front/rear weight bias in corners. While this always works for myself for mellow riding or good fitness, I struggled at times when my strength wasn't good.

For myself I tend to see the CS length more as a way of creating proper weight balance, not stability. A key experience was my Supreme V4.2, which sits at about 470mm at SAG if I rmb correctly. It still corners very well even if it feels like a bus in the parking lot.

Anyway, body dimensions factor into all of this. I have a very long torso, putting my mass center further back than usual for my height. Riding a long CS seems natural then as extending reach would require a lot of pressure on the bar for proper balance.
  • 23 1
 @Dogl0rd: Yeah, that's fair, but nothing is objective; it's only aligned with Matt and my experience of riding the bike. I look at it like this: PB selects who can be given the platform to review something, but even on that platform, even the most skilled reviewer is giving a snapshot into their own experience. I think it's best not to assume that all reviewers are completely objective but rather read and follow ones that align with your own bias', and ones that are straight up enough to be transparent with theirs. I hope that makes sense, and doesn't make me sound too much of an arse. I'm just trying to be straight up with how I see it. Thanks for taking the time to offer what is a very reasonable question, and I hope I'm not shooting it down, but rather just trying to explain how I feel. Thank you.
  • 8 1
 @Highclimber: As you alluded to, what I like and what I do depends on the bike! Ha.

What I like to do is have a lot of weight through the feet, in quite a heels down style, and then can guide the front using my hands, just leaning and coaxing it more than wrestling it - a bit like as you do when you ski. What I often do is consciously weigh the front to try and get more of my mass on the front axle. The difference can be subtle, but I find the former leaves more brain power for other things. When you ride a bike like that it does take some getting used to be I am all in on a more weighted yet higher front.
  • 2 0
 @Highclimber: Interesting thought. You know I never got into riding the super long reach bikes. Always owned stuff with shorter stays just out of pure coincidence as well (not sure i care or not). I never have had a cornering weight issue with anything I've owned and I think its because I never rode some of the school busses that others do. I always let my stability come from relaxed HTA and good suspension not absurd reach length. Makes cornering easier that way and I need all the help I can get there.
  • 5 1
 @henryquinney: Well to your point, its worth mentioning that on gravity bike riding, trying to weight on your hands super heavy is a good way to beat your hands and arms to death through the rough. I like my dh bike to float through the chunder with me upright on my feet, smooth, and calm then turn like I'm flowing not forcing a machine that doesn't want to.
  • 10 0
 Maybe the geometry #'s should be kept secret from the test rider until after their field test?
  • 8 0
 This isn't the first bike review ever and this isn't the first time pros and cons are being awarded. It is up to the reader/customer to make up an own mind of what is desired and what is not. Because pretty much every single attribute is a compromise. A larger cassette gives you a bigger gearing range, more expensive wear parts, a heavier rear wheel and a bigger rear mech cage. Room for a bottle inside the front triangle gives you a higher top tube. Internal cable and hose routing is something some people seem to appreciate but makes maintenance a bit more work. Even something like durability comes at a cost. A reviewer may have a an ideal compromise for every single one of these but it may be very different for the individual rider. If you buy just based on positives and negatives at the bottom of a review then you'll be buying the ideal bike for that reviewer. If you want to buy a bike that you actually like to ride yourself then you'll need to identify what you like and what is important for you.
  • 2 0
 This was a great review. Thanks Pinkbike.
  • 3 11
flag rad8 (Jun 26, 2024 at 17:18) (Below Threshold)
 Absolutely on point man. I no longer feel that I'm on the same page with pinkbike anymore. Can't stand this particular writer's verbal diarrhea that comes across in text as a bunch of double negatives with no real point. That I quite dislike long chainstays is my own bias that I won't ignore.
  • 4 0
 @Dogl0rd: If a bike review lists “No water bottle mounts” as a con, and you don’t care about bottle mounts, you can disregard and move on with your life. We’re all smart enough to see how the reviews apply to our own personal likes and needs.

These comments have “student who got a 93 arguing they should have gotten a 95” vibes.
  • 1 0
 @cougar797: DH bike love to be brutally forced to do whatever hehehe. You can make turns like you are in the pumptrack, turn in a dime, over and over.
You can cut,smash and almost destroy any trail if you have decent skills and commitment to go fast and trust your bike.
DH bikes do not like "passenger" riders,you need to be active and command the bike all the time in my experience.
  • 2 0
 @henryquinney: thanks for taking the time to respond, you have a tough job man!
  • 2 0
 @nateb: This is a fantastic idea! It would eliminate a large amount of confirmation bias. Not slating the reviewers, confirmation bias is a known thing because thats just what humans do. But yeah, working out ways to eliminate it as much as possible is always a good thing.

Saying that, even with essentially "blind" testing, confirmation bias will still exist. There will be elements of "those stays look pretty long to me" or "I generally enjoy riding X brand so I'll probably enjoy this new bike they've made" etc etc. But still, blind testing seems a great idea to me.
  • 2 0
 If you had been around long enough you’d remember the days where every bike needed shorter ones. They’ve got to come up with something that needs “fixing” so that the next generation of bike has some need for its existence beyond the usual it’s been a couple years now.
  • 7 0
 @ henryquinney :
I wonder which fork crown is fitted to the M1. From the photos, it looks to me like a 57mm offset and would also explain the handling described. The geometry of the M1 is certainly at the limit of being able to easily load the front. However, I do believe that the geometry is "all-round" suitable, but with a fork offset of ~50mm and a 50mm stem.
In my experience, a few millimeters less fork offset is at least as crucial for front end grip as a few millimeters more on the chainstay.
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 Sounds reasonable since chainstays at say are 459mm, 445mm +14mm.
How is that short? Sounds like to thought something and made it so.
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 I've never wanted anything more in my entire life.
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 @henryquinney, great review! But how does this work in terms of aligning with Matt's impressions though? This article is written from your perspective, but I assume that if Matt's and your opinions or perceptions differed drastically, you would mention it here? Or does the article always represent some sort of consensus?
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 Matt and I ride a lot separately, making our notes and then come together to discuss how we feel, and the articles represent that. As you said, if there was something we were conflicted on it would be written about. Matt and I share a lot of feelings about bikes, and I know that I've learnt a tremendous amount from him over the last few years, and he's great to bounce ideas off too.
  • 5 1
 A review of a bike thats designed to go down a hill as fast as possible all about perception and feel and nothing to do with how fast it went down a hill!!!!
As Rob once said..... "Look at the time"

Did you time the bike on the various sections of trail on the same day or was it all just how it felt which is pretty useless when your on the start line of a Dh race. You have a great opportunity to cover the sharp end and the back end of a DH race with the 2 reviewers to get a good spread of performance v perception.
Henry talked lots, and raced DH once back in 2013 (according to RootsandRain)
  • 7 0
 Intense is back! Can you do the Tazer VP next, please?
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 who was the unlucky rider to crash the M1? noticed the road rash on the cockpit in the video (bandage on Henry's arm)
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 I'll be at Whistler Bike Park for a week this summer and while I'm bringing my enduro bike for most of it, I do plan to rent a DH rig for at least 1 day. They have the Intense M1 and the Commencal Supreme V5. When I crash, it's always the same way: washing out the front on flatter corners. Sounds like the Commencal might be the better choice for me.
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 Just came here to ask when you guys plan on providing a space for Pinkbike users and outside members to discuss the new Buy/sell changes - now currently if you are an Outside member you can only have 10 active listings max or you have to pay $350 a year from $90 a year and if you have no outside membership you can only have 2 active listings. LOL!!!!!!
  • 4 1
 Hi @henryquinney The list of DH race bikes you and Matt have picked for this field test are great! And so is you're review of the M1. I like how you and Matt also commented on the issues with the components that came with the build. (TRP, SDG saddle) If possible, and only with the bikes that can be bought as a frame only. Could you and Matt comment on the parts you'd personally would use if you were to build the bike up yourselves? I've been riding and racing DH since 2006. And after my first DH bike. I've always just bought frames and built them up with my own personal favorite parts. DH bikes are so special. So, I've always built them up to my liking. I know it's a personal matter of taste. But I'd like to hear both of your thoughts on it.
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 Hi @rpb10276, Thanks for the comment. I'll let @mattbeer chime in here if he gets the notification. I really, really, really (really) enjoy the DH38 from Ohlins. That's my current weapon of choice. The TTX2 shock is also very good, but personally, I feel the fork holds more sway over a bike's feel, and the shock can sometimes be diluted depending on what bike you put it on. Usually my preference would be for coil shocks.

For gear, and I know this sounds lame, but I'm really happy with the Shimano Saint drivetrain (my current one is a hand-me-down from Cathro off his old-old-old racebike, and it still works mint). If I was to buy again now I would probably go for Zee, and then limit out the larger cogs. For brakes, there is maybe more room and sway. The Hayes are good but very light-feeling. Again, I would go for some XT or SLX's with decent 203 rotors and call it a day. The TRPs don't quite have the feeling I am after, but that's very personal.

Apart from the fork, the other place I would indulge in is carbon wheels. I know this sounds stupid, and they're very expensive, but modern DH bikes let you ride so fast through god-knows-what. I find I am really hard on alloy rears, and carbon ones tend to need less work.
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 @henryquinney: I wish we could know your thoughts on this bike with the Ohlins setup like the team runs, but if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride. If horse turds were biscuits, they'd eat 'til they died.
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 I had a feeling that the XL size would stop just short enough to fit taller ish riders. Dammit Intense!! Why?
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 What are you talking about 490 is MASSIVE for a dh rig
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 @bigmeatpete420: that is the same reach as 5’11” Dakotah Norton ran at Val di Sole this year, so it’s not big at all for the average tall person let alone a 6’5” + person.
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 @bigmeatpete420: u are not bigmeat then, my hardtail has a 490 reach, and a 63 HA. im 6'. some people LIKE different things!
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 @y9pema: Downhill bikes have shorter reach because the front wheel is usually significantly lower than the back making the bike feel longer when you’re sitting on it. It’s designed for going downhill not like completely different for a completely different thing
  • 4 2
 @adamdigby: He’s got a ridiculously high tall stack, which brings the bike in. He’s also running a very unique set up that nobody else on the World Cup circuit rides so that’s a terrible example I believe a lot of the other sixes that are significantly smaller
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 @bigmeatpete420: Commencal at 508, Santa Cruz at 507, YT at 506. No 490 is not massive.
  • 6 0
 Sounds like a great bike for Windrock.
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 Does that mean I am going to die at Windrock on my Mullet Remedy?!!
  • 4 0
 @Jamielandon: DH at Windrock makes life easier!
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 @Jamielandon: Die probably not, probably even have fun, just am smidge more beat up after. But as you may imagine dh bikes work super well for dh parks haha
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 @Jamielandon: define die
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 @cougar797: Yes I know.....I need to just get rid of the remedy as I enjoy bike parks or tooling around town. The in between is not much fun anymore!
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 @Dogl0rd: Not be able to work the next day!! That's dying for a 50 year old I guess.
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 @Jamielandon: yeah, the point of more travel usually isn't so you can ride faster or do bigger hits. I rode park on a 140/130 for a while. The difference with a 170 bike is that my body isn't wrecked from all the force from stiffer suspension and bottoming out all the time.
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 A DH race bike is meant to go as fast as possible on gnarly tracks, so if this it "Shines on steeper, rougher trails" then it sounds like it met the assignment.
  • 2 0
 I notice there was no mention of the weight of this bike? Over 40lbs is the weight of some SL ebikes... maybe that's part of why it is so calm in the chunder, but does it affect it agility? I know may pros are adding weights to their bikes, but the starting weight of this bike is definitely worth a mention.
  • 5 0
 Stunning bike and great to see intense back!!
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 As an owner of the OG Intense Tracer from the early aughts, I’m psyched to see the return of aluminum Intense frames. I would love to see them open up their CA production again. Those beautiful welds and the ability to have a 69 degree HA in that era on a short travel trail bike gave you all sorts of confidence on steep terrain. Welcome back, Intense!
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 1) I have no desire for a downhill bike, but this bike makes me question that.
2) What did Henry do to his elbow? Hopefully there's video.
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 I love mine. It is a wild ride for sure. Very impressed so far.

i.imgur.com/inhsK1P.jpeg
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 Would be nice to have a Primer 29” aluminum frame option.
  • 1 0
 @kmsafety Check out Intense's international website. You might be pleasantly surprised what you find there.
  • 2 0
 Clicked on Henry's IG link and had the sudden urge to crush some spreadsheets – lock-in!
  • 3 0
 Good gawd what a beautiful machine! I wish!
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 What about an „the impossible downhill“ part for the DH Bike Test?
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 Just watch the Val di Sole race footage.
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 Oh what a Bike, love it!

But in my personal opinion, the test must also be carried out by heavier people. There can be a big difference in how the bike behaves. Also, what spring rate do you need at over 90 kg?
  • 3 1
 We need a freeride and dirt jumper test.
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 Is it available at Costco
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 Dammit came here to say that. Welp I'll at least give you an upvote to counter everyone else's lack of humor
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 If it was I'd have one!
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 That would be a great PR video for the bike when it’s introduced. Louise Ferguson bored on a trip to the Costco, shuffling through the aisles, when a shiny red M1 appears atop a stack of 50 lb bags of grass seed. Cut to her trying to stuff one in the shopping cart, a perplexed cashier, scanner in hand, looking for a bar code…
  • 1 0
 Interesting how the antisquat goes down in bigger gears. That's the opposite of a low pivot bike.
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 so the frameset price in CAD is same as a V10 frame???? am I missing anything here? lol
  • 1 0
 I hope Henry will review all the DH bikes,.brilliant job done here
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 No Santa Cruz V10 test?
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 Now that's a whopper, my old Cove Shocker was lighter than this
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 But where is it made? Is it US= made again or overseas?
  • 1 0
 not any comment about the similarity with the Canyon sender...
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 similar to the Specialized Demo as well, but with the HP the kinematics will be quite different
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 Stunning bike and great to see intense back!!
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 American muscle is back
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