Descending When looking back at the downhill bike field test, if I had to choose one of these bikes to ride gnarly, scary downhill, it would be the Intense.
That said, isn't that what downhill bikes are for? And isn't that the whole point? Well, yes. However, they offer it to different degrees. The Giant and YT almost felt like big-enduro bikes more than downhill sluggers, the Frameworks pushed the envelope a little further, and the Commencal is something out on its own, offering a weighted and precise front yet an ability to suck to the ground like nothing else I have ever ridden. The M1, however... the M1 was different.
Everything about this bike made it feel like a monster, and the confidence inspired on steep trails shouldn't be understated. As mentioned earlier, key geometry dimensions give this bike a very rearward weight bias. That comes alive when it's steeper, but it can feel a little lifeless on anything but fast, committing trails. On flatter turns or bike park runs, it just feels a bit light on the front. While it doesn't suffer from handle-bar flop per se, I think it would be a better bike if the front were more weighted. It would still offer a huge amount on the trails it currently thrives on, and an extra 10 or 15mm on the rear end won't undo the modern, downhill-honed geometry, but it could well mean you carry more speed out of the flat corner after the chute of death you just rode down.
The M1 covers a lot of bases. The geometry does usher in a great body position; however, I think if your weight was shuffled forward a bit, it would only give you more precision.
The suspension plays into this as well to a degree. For me, I can't see a reason why you wouldn't want to reap the benefits of a high-pivot and idler on a downhill bike. This bike doesn't have the same all-out traction as the Commencal in either mode, but it does offer an incredibly stable chassis and an ability to make the roughest, fastest sections feel neutral and controlled. People wanting to generate pop for bike park jump lines may also find that even in the linear mode, it tends to absorb rider inputs when driving into lips.
On the brakes, that high initial anti-rise means that when coupled with a relatively quick rebound setting, the tracking over medium holes while on the brakes is very, very good. It manages to do so without disrupting the chassis or ever pushing the rider's weight forward. It stayed muted, tracking and effective. The lessening influence of the braking as the bike goes through its stroke means that it doesn't feel like it ever overwhelms the travel later in the stroke or packs up as you break over rough terrain before you even get into the turn.
Sold a few days later.
Have an Specialized Enduro & Demo S4,both bikes are awesome.
The Enduro scary me the most to be honest,very easy to gain speed over whatever terrain but then you need to be spot on to not eat dirt at the first chance.
I do definitely get that being on a DH bike encourages many people to re-adjust completely where you ride, the limits of speed, and feature size- so the other approach of managing risk via the bike you ride also makes complete sense based on your mentality.
Same reason I’d rather have a Miata or WRX than a Lamborghini. Where can I go fast enough to find a supercar’s limits without risking myself and others?
Knee pain is very related with meniscus tear&wear,that´s why I try not to force my knee doing boring things like pedal many km or even commuting.
In short, this bike has the hard sections covered and the easy sections are up to you.
I've been curious about high pivots, but my "normal" bike gives me enough drive train issues that I've kind of been scared to make the jump.
wait. wrong style of bike.
Timing constraints, personal matters, and other delivery set backs required shifting a lot of this Field Test around. That also condensed how much time we could spend on each bike to give valid feedback.
The V10 review will follow shortly and the Supernought is on our wish list too.
I hope that's not too direct, but I feel acknowledging it is important. Thanks for commenting and taking the time to read it. Cheers
Over the years I noticed that bikes usually can corner very similarly with all kind of chainstays, but on short CS I tend to really have to actively put a lot of force into the bar to get the proper front/rear weight bias in corners. While this always works for myself for mellow riding or good fitness, I struggled at times when my strength wasn't good.
For myself I tend to see the CS length more as a way of creating proper weight balance, not stability. A key experience was my Supreme V4.2, which sits at about 470mm at SAG if I rmb correctly. It still corners very well even if it feels like a bus in the parking lot.
Anyway, body dimensions factor into all of this. I have a very long torso, putting my mass center further back than usual for my height. Riding a long CS seems natural then as extending reach would require a lot of pressure on the bar for proper balance.
What I like to do is have a lot of weight through the feet, in quite a heels down style, and then can guide the front using my hands, just leaning and coaxing it more than wrestling it - a bit like as you do when you ski. What I often do is consciously weigh the front to try and get more of my mass on the front axle. The difference can be subtle, but I find the former leaves more brain power for other things. When you ride a bike like that it does take some getting used to be I am all in on a more weighted yet higher front.
These comments have “student who got a 93 arguing they should have gotten a 95” vibes.
You can cut,smash and almost destroy any trail if you have decent skills and commitment to go fast and trust your bike.
DH bikes do not like "passenger" riders,you need to be active and command the bike all the time in my experience.
Saying that, even with essentially "blind" testing, confirmation bias will still exist. There will be elements of "those stays look pretty long to me" or "I generally enjoy riding X brand so I'll probably enjoy this new bike they've made" etc etc. But still, blind testing seems a great idea to me.
I wonder which fork crown is fitted to the M1. From the photos, it looks to me like a 57mm offset and would also explain the handling described. The geometry of the M1 is certainly at the limit of being able to easily load the front. However, I do believe that the geometry is "all-round" suitable, but with a fork offset of ~50mm and a 50mm stem.
In my experience, a few millimeters less fork offset is at least as crucial for front end grip as a few millimeters more on the chainstay.
How is that short? Sounds like to thought something and made it so.
As Rob once said..... "Look at the time"
Did you time the bike on the various sections of trail on the same day or was it all just how it felt which is pretty useless when your on the start line of a Dh race. You have a great opportunity to cover the sharp end and the back end of a DH race with the 2 reviewers to get a good spread of performance v perception.
Henry talked lots, and raced DH once back in 2013 (according to RootsandRain)
For gear, and I know this sounds lame, but I'm really happy with the Shimano Saint drivetrain (my current one is a hand-me-down from Cathro off his old-old-old racebike, and it still works mint). If I was to buy again now I would probably go for Zee, and then limit out the larger cogs. For brakes, there is maybe more room and sway. The Hayes are good but very light-feeling. Again, I would go for some XT or SLX's with decent 203 rotors and call it a day. The TRPs don't quite have the feeling I am after, but that's very personal.
Apart from the fork, the other place I would indulge in is carbon wheels. I know this sounds stupid, and they're very expensive, but modern DH bikes let you ride so fast through god-knows-what. I find I am really hard on alloy rears, and carbon ones tend to need less work.
2) What did Henry do to his elbow? Hopefully there's video.
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But in my personal opinion, the test must also be carried out by heavier people. There can be a big difference in how the bike behaves. Also, what spring rate do you need at over 90 kg?
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Who is target audience for this bike?