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Welcome to the 2024 Downhill Field Test

Jun 25, 2024 at 15:55
by Henry Quinney  
Commencal Supreme V5 Review. Photos by Tom Richards.

Welcome to the 2024 Downhill Field Test. This year, I drew the short straw and risked life and limb trying to keep up with Pinkbike Fastguy™ Matt Beer as we jam-packed just about as many downhill laps as we could in the wet early season of Whistler Bike Park.

The real focus of this test was on bikes that are ridden and raced at the highest level. We wanted to establish what our pick would be of true downhill bikes—not long-travel enduro bikes, single-crowned freeride bikes, or maybe even e-bikes without motors. In this group, we have a very mixed bag, all of which have already enjoyed podiums at the highest level.

While you might think that all downhill bikes are going to ride the same, or at least near enough to one another that they become nearly decipherable, that simply wasn't the case. Even though they're all thoroughbreds built for the race track, the variation in temperament is enough to make any equine metaphor very much justified.

So, what bikes are we dealing with?

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Giant Glory Advanced
• Frame: Carbon
• Wheel sizes: 29" or MX
• Travel: 200mm, 203mm fork
• Maestro dual-link suspension
• 62-degree head angle (MX wheels w/middle BB height setting)
• Sizes: S/M, M/L, L/XL
• Reach: 445, 465 , 485mm
• Chainstays: 446.5-456.5mm
• Weight: 17.5 kg / 38.6 lb
• Price: $8,400 USD
giant-bicycles.com

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Intense M1
• Frame: 6061-T6 aluminum
• Wheel sizes: 29" front, 27.5" rear
• 6-bar, high-pivot
• Travel: 202mm (linear) / 212mm (progressive), 203mm fork
• 63-degree head angle
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Reach: 430, 450, 470 (tested), 490mm
• Chainstays: 445mm
• Weight: 18.6 kg / 41.2 lb
• Price: Pro - $7499.99 USD, Expert - $5999.99 USD, Frame Only - $3599.99 USD
intensecycles.com

Commencal Supreme V5 Review. Photos by Tom Richards.
Commencal Supreme
• Frame: aluminum
• Wheel size: MX
• 6-link, high-pivot suspension
• Travel: 220mm (linear) / 225mm (progressive), 203mm fork
• 63.3-degree head angle (low setting)
• Reach: 431, 456, 484, 504mm
• Chainstays: 442mm (S-middle), 454mm (M-XL-middle)
• Weight: 18.23 kg/ 40.2 lb
• Price: $7,700 USD
commencal.com

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Frameworks DH
• Frame: aluminum front, carbon rear triangle
• Wheel size: MX
• 4-bar, Horst-link suspension
• Travel: 200mm (linear) / 205mm (progressive), 203mm fork
• 63.3-degree head angle
• Reach: 455mm (MD), 485mm (LG)
• Chainstays: 450mm (MD), 460 (LG)
• Weight: 17.5 kg / 38.6 lb (as tested)
• Price: $4,450 USD (frame with DHX shock)
rideframeworks.com

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YT Tues
• Carbon frame
• Mixed or dual 29" wheels
• Horst-link suspension
• Travel: 200mm / 203mm fork
• Head Angle: 63.2 - 63.5 degrees
• Sizes: S, M, L (tested), XL, XXL
• Reach: 430, 450, 470, 490, 510mm
• Chainstay lengths (short position): 438 (S,M), 440 (L), 450mm (XL, XXL)
• 16.14 kg / 35.6 lb
• Price: $5,999 USD
yt-industries.com



Testing Info


The vast majority of our testing took place in the Whistler Bike Park. While you might typically think of the smoother, jump filled trails like A-line and Dirt Merchant, there are enough fast, rough tech and steep committing features - perfect for testing true downhill race bikes. A typical run might be Upper Whistler Downhill to Detroit Rock City, finishing on Naughty Hands. The trails have plenty of variety. That's not to say we didn't ride the typical bike park flow runs you might expect, too, but rather we knew what our focus was.

Who Tested the Bikes?

Henry Quinney
Location: Squamish
Age: 32
Height: 183cm / 6'
Weight: 79 kg / 174 lbs
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @henryquinney

Matt Beer
Location: Squamish, BC, Canada
Age: 37
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Weight: 170 lb / 77 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mattb33r

Sizing and Components

While Matt and I are slightly different heights, our preferences seem to converge on downhill bikes. I, while slightly taller, prefer something with a shorter reach. Matt, while not extreme in his demands, is happier riding somewhere between a medium and a large.

All bikes were outfitted with Tacky Chan Ultra Soft control tires from Schwalbe.



Starting today, reviews will be released each Wednesday for the next five weeks, with a podcast discussing the group test at the midpoint.


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169 Comments
  • 99 0
 Very much looking forwards to the Frameworks and Intense reviews! God help you in the comments if each bike doesn't get a good slow-mo huck to flat...
  • 19 3
 So is MX/Mullet mandatory now? Some people like their sugar with coffee and cream too you know....
  • 22 30
flag cky78 FL (Jun 26, 2024 at 8:38) (Below Threshold)
 @gearbo-x: I commented on the Knolly post that I am glad I got my Megatower before it gets the high pivot/mixer treatment. Currently being downvoted... haha
  • 7 10
 @gearbo-x: 2929 is a proven fact to be faster on slow rolling not too steep terrain...
  • 14 0
 Has anyone seen a Frameworks yet in the wild other than on the WC circuit? Just curious.
  • 7 0
 @rocky-x: I have ridden one
  • 1 0
 Sweet, demo or something? What'd ya think?
  • 11 0
 @cky78: I think for enduro race bikes 29/29 will stay prevalent due to what @PauRexs says. It's also more efficient for climbing, which you do a lot of during enduro race events.

Besides Santa Cruz already has a mixer Megatower, the Nomad. Fingers crossed they stay out of the high pivot trend.
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: Yea, a demo of sorts. It was a medium/large size so a bit too small, but it felt good.
  • 2 0
 @rocky-x: I saw one last Saturday at Northstar Bike Park
  • 4 0
 @rocky-x: mountain creek and windrock I've seen them floating around
  • 4 0
 @rocky-x: There are some racing Eastern States Cup this year.
  • 3 0
 @rocky-x: a biddy of mine from Vermont bought one. He had it a Thunder a few weeks ago. Really nice looking, well thought out frame. He’s loving it.
  • 5 0
 @rocky-x: here in the southeast the are common at the downhill races.
  • 4 0
 @rocky-x: They are almost as common ad Demos in the Southeast. I road a shuttle truck at Rock Creek recently and there were >10 of them on the truck.
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: yes, have ridden Asas as well!
  • 6 0
 @rocky-x: Frameworks sold around 50 of them in their first, and only, production run (so far) back in November. Bikes were delivered in February. You see them a lot here in the southeast and the Downhill Southeast Races. I own one as well. Albeit, a bigger fan base here as Neko and Logan are local to NC plus they run the DHSE series.
  • 2 0
 @rocky-x: yes. Us open for one. And some other southeast series stuff they have been seen at. Plus some Pinkbike reviewers have been using the bike
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: all the time if you ride rock creek bike park.
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x:

Yes. They do exist. I’ve seen the DH and trail bike.
  • 1 1
 @rocky-x: I was a tester for the Mach 4.5 prototype if that counts. They absolutely rip
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x:
Raced against them at NW cup and winter series at Bootleg canyon.
  • 1 1
 @rocky-x: I've seen them around in the San Diego area.
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: I raced (in a different cat) with Asa at bootleg
  • 5 0
 @rocky-x: I haven't seen one .....but I did buy a t-shirt
  • 2 0
 @gnarnaimo: it's easy proven bro science ... get a rough track not so steep difficult to catch speed... bigger wheel will carry more speed cause won't fall into the holes as easy smaller wheel so will stay more into the edges flattering the trail thus carrying more speed..: ( I learned into an enduro race some years ago when it was more splited the field...
DH is different cause the speeds are way
ore higher so the wheel won't have time to enter into holes...
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: I saw a bunch (maybe 2 or 3?) being ridden down pleney last summer in morzine. Lovely looking things. As are Ben Walker’s Scott Gamblers with steel front ends that can often be seen around there
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: yep, ive rode one too. At jarrods place in GA
  • 1 0
 @Phaethon85: just wondering what DH tracks people are riding in SD.
  • 1 0
 Couldn’t get a Supernaught? I haven’t seen a single review
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: saw one at Trestle last week.
  • 1 0
 @rocky-x: You see them plenty at the NW races.
  • 1 0
 @gearbo-x: well I have the giant glory in this test. Tried mullet and 29er. Full 29er for me. Feels fantastic and still handles like a dream. Rolls over anything
  • 81 0
 i love downhill
  • 2 0
 YEP
  • 34 2
 i love lamp
  • 5 0
 @bigtim: do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it?
  • 6 0
 @ReformedRoadie: I love lamp. I love lamp.
  • 6 1
 I'm still kinda bummed I sold my 2018 HAWK TUES. Hopefully I go viral with DVs.
  • 2 0
 I love you
  • 1 0
 @bigtim: you must be a moth
  • 42 1
 Wish the RAAW yalla was in the mix. I'm loving mine.
  • 2 0
 +1 on loving mine too!
  • 24 1
 if you love it why do you want a review.
  • 54 0
 @mariomtblt: Confirmation bias
  • 2 0
 @gnarnaimo: haha yeah, personally loving something is the best review possible for a bike, since you know, you're the one riding it LOL
  • 7 1
 @mariomtblt: I like seeing reviews of bikes that I have because I just like seeing film of it being ridden. I’m probably a weirdo though
  • 8 0
 @mariomtblt:I appreciate other peoples opinions, just not yours.
  • 5 0
 @PHX77: yeah I mainly would like to see there thoughts on the yalla vs frameworks vs commencal. Owned the previous gen commencal and bought the yalla right before the frameworks frames came out. I feel like the yalla and frameworks have a lot in common. It’s also just interesting seeing a review on a bike you have ridden yourself. See how they perceive it and the pros and cons they come up with.
  • 6 0
 @gnarnaimo: ha yeah I would actually like to see what they would find wrong with it. I can’t find anything. Then you store the perceived faults in your brain for later when new bike time comes so you can justify it.
  • 4 0
 @Struggleteam: I'd be curious to see how the Yalla and FW DH bike compare head to head as well. Geo looks very similar (apart from full 29" vs mx and a small chainstay length difference), kinematics look very similar, FW having a touch more anti-rise and anti-squat although they are very close, and obviously they both use the same layout and even look pretty similar.

IIRC Dan Roberts was a part of both bike's designs too, maybe that plays a role here. On paper they seem so close, I wonder how well that translates or if the sum of all the little different details really add up
  • 1 0
 Have seen a few RAAW DH bikes,very good looking bike,nice and simple. I ask 1 of the owners and he was very happy with the bike.
  • 27 0
 I went through the stages of the Vince McMahon reaction meme while reading this. Pinkbike making another DH field test, it’s done by Henry and Matt, AND they’re testing the frameworks bike.
  • 25 0
 I was hopping to see the supernaught in here too.
  • 2 0
 I also was hoping for the supernaught.
  • 20 0
 I am here for this series.

Despite not having raced DH since the mid 90s (when it was a very different thing), and having 1% of the skill of a downhiller, I do love the look and tech of a downhill bike. I won't ever own one, but love to know all there is to know about them.
  • 22 7
 I'm triggered that the test riders spec's aren't aligned with the other and even the metric/standard sizes are flipped.

That Giant is such a good looking bike. Looks like a supercar compared to the rest of the bikes.
  • 19 36
flag jb2mntbike FL (Jun 26, 2024 at 8:40) (Below Threshold)
 @Ryan2949 the Giant looks like a Toyota Corolla compared to the other bikes!
  • 5 0
 It would be much funnier if the stats were 100% different and just random stuff.
  • 10 0
 It's also worth noting that if they are claiming 6' and 5'10, they are actually 5'10 and 5'8. This is the internet.
  • 8 0
 @jb2mntbike: Weirdly I think it looks the best.
  • 9 0
 @jb2mntbike: A GR Corolla
  • 18 0
 No Santa Cruz V10??
  • 15 1
 We've seen enough posts from the "curly bar world", about time for some smashing!!
  • 8 0
 Something these reviews never mention is the frame warranty. How has Commencal gone from a 5 year down to a 2 year frame warranty for 2024? $4200 CAD for alloy frame without a shock is insane for 2 year only when you can have 5 year - lifetime warranty for the same price if not cheaper from other brands. I can't say I've seen any brand downgrade their warranty, only improve it (Norco 2024+ went lifetime), usually when brands do this it means they're trying to make up for losses.
  • 5 0
 Commencal went from 5 to 2 year in 2020 or 2021 if i remember correctly.
I'm not saying they did this because of the supreme issues but these two things seem to align. (x-files music)
  • 3 0
 Yeah, i honestly think Commencals have become some of the worst value in the amrket today.
Greta performing bikes in theory, but their track record as far as reliability goes has got to be the worst in the entire industry by far. Every iteration of the Supreme was prone to cracking and i´ve seen too many "weird" complaints about their bikes to ignore. From bad quality control to bikes flexing way beyond what i personally would be comfortable with.
It´s pretty obvious they have a great suspension designer and implement feedback from racers very well, but somehow they simply can´t get the longevity done right. This warranty is something that puts them into untouchable territory for me personally.
  • 10 0
 Probably just me but the "Who tested the bike" section not being in the same format is so disturbing. Smile
  • 5 0
 it's not just you
  • 16 6
 No V10 and no Demo, huh? Great crop of bikes, but the V10 and Demo should almost be mandatory in this test!
  • 5 0
 the new demo haven't dropped yet the new v10 is awesome tho
  • 1 0
 They reviewed the current generation demo in 2021: www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-specialized-demo-race.html (unless Spesh has tweaked it since then? Honestly not sure) I'd imagine they want to wait for the next gen Demo, seeing as their DH team is on some wild prototypes
  • 1 0
 I was hoping to see these two along with the new GT as well.
  • 2 0
 @IsaacWislon82: While I agree that a new Demo has not come out yet, I think for these “Roundup” type reviews it would be nice if they test the newest in new against some of the old tried and true staples to see how they stack up.
  • 1 0
 @Pusher5000: I think its reasonable for them to mention notable bikes they've previously tested at the end, I think at the end of the last enduro field test they ended with the question "but is it better than the 2020 specialized enduro?"
  • 1 0
 @Pusher5000: frankly saying, I don't think you need any testing of the current demo
the bike is great - Bruni got great results on it
there are tons of reviews out there already and let's be honest - there are lots of new bikes not better than the old ones
it's all about - do you want the new bling? do you need to refresh your 3old beat up rig?
and it's cheaper to get a complete new bike with new suspension than just buying new parts
  • 7 0
 You got the Commencal and Intense suspension terms mixed up. The Commencal is a true 6-bar bike. The Intense is a "6-Link" which is actually 4 bar with 6 links, like the Canyon Sender.
  • 7 0
 Since we know red is the fastest color consider this test concluded. Too bad they didn’t include the V10 for a real battle!
  • 7 0
 Really bummed you guys didn't get a Supernought into this group. Few of these on the list and I would love to see that up against the rest.
  • 8 0
 That Glory is an absolute beauty, but my gosh the pricetag on that thing is insane for a Giant.
  • 7 0
 How come we get Matt's age, but Henry's inside leg?
  • 45 0
 henry has no age. he's simultaneously a 13 year old boy and a 113 year old sage
  • 6 0
 Haha! I've just changed that. I don't know either, frankly.
  • 6 0
 Excited for the Frameworks review, very cool bike
  • 4 0
 Many of these bikes are raced by pros using an ochain spider which alters suspension dynamics, but only one test bike has an ochain. Big think.
  • 5 0
 What's the frame weight of the Tues ? It's lighter than my enduro bike...
  • 2 0
 Enduro bikes usually have the same gear as DH ones except for the fork/drivetrain/dropper
That should make all the difference
And coil/no coil
  • 1 0
 @catamplifier: that's why I asked the frame weight. I have an alloy frame but I don't if a carbon DH frame is any lighter
  • 4 0
 Coincidentally, it looks like you have a control fork too, and *almost a control rear shock lol
  • 7 2
 That Glory is a thing of beauty.
  • 4 2
 Would have been fun to throw in a "freeride" bike, or some sort of average person's park/shuttle dual crown rig that isnt necessarily race focused to compare just how big the gaps are or are not.
  • 2 0
 Would love to see a freeride bike field test, like commencal frs, Canfield one.2, rose scrub and Norco shore and some other 180-200mm travel dual crown bikes. Some fun park shredding non race focused DH bikes
  • 4 0
 No v10.8? Haven’t seen a review of that from PB
  • 13 0
 @christiaan We've been working on a longer-term review of the V10 that is coming in shortly.
  • 2 0
 @mattbeer: sweet thanks for the heads up
  • 2 0
 @mattbeer: was gunna say, if you were in whistler there is no way you were unable to get your hands on one. The whole village is filled with red v10s.
  • 3 0
 Thank you Pinkbike for testing bikes from manufacturers other than the biggest brands, a.k.a. the largest sponsors.
  • 3 0
 I’ll take this with a grain of salt since the Atherton 200, Supernaught, and v10 aren’t included.
  • 2 0
 All of these bikes are ridic expensive. Field test should be - Tues. Sender. Rage.
  • 2 0
 It would be nice to see where these land compared to classic privateer rides like the V10 and the Demo.
  • 2 0
 DH bikes lookin so good I want one!!! Rode park on my enduro machine. Fun, but coulda been MORE FUN
  • 2 0
 GT Fury, V10, current Demo. Needed more in the test. Appreciate the field tests still though. Thanks
  • 2 0
 Looks like a Session didn’t need to be reviewed to know it’s the best of both worlds-play and race!
  • 2 1
 I hope you're checking to make sure all those bikes get full travel and are not limited by the bottom out bumper.
  • 2 0
 What the hell trail is Naughty Hands?
  • 4 1
 Where's the GT Fury?
  • 1 0
 Came here for this! Beat value race frameset on the market. Worthy of a podium in this field.
  • 1 0
 Frameworks has the best geo on paper. Probably corners the best of this group.
  • 1 1
 I’m sorry for wanting the FW and its steep seat tube to also have an optional motor mount, but still happy to share my shit take.
  • 1 0
 This one should be a good one, lets hope there are real back to back times on the different track sections.
  • 1 0
 my OCD is asking if the wheel sizing can just be MX and/or 29 please. thanks.
  • 2 0
 No Orbea ebike with the motor removed? This is so 2023
  • 2 0
 All recent mtb are overvalued. It's crazy to spend those amount of coins
  • 1 0
 ask and you shall receive
  • 1 0
 Stoked for this! Choice of bike seems great
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney Is Davis Clarke your Instagram alter-ego?
  • 2 0
 God DH bikes are hot
  • 2 0
 Yay dh bike reviews!
  • 2 0
 YEEEESSSSSSS!
  • 2 0
 YESSSS
  • 2 0
 Very stoked on this.
  • 3 2
 $2k less and 4 lbs lighter - YT is leading the way IMO
  • 1 0
 My YT Tues 29'er says high. No need for muLLeting
  • 2 0
 Neko for the win.
  • 1 0
 FW with 460 chainstay! I love my Banshee Legend with 473 cs!
  • 1 0
 the frameworks bike just wants a dropper and a big Casette
  • 1 0
 Intense and commencal are the ones I want to see comparison on
  • 1 0
 Who tested the bike?
  • 1 1
 Where's the RAAW Yalla ?!
  • 3 3
 Super lame there’s no v10 on test
  • 2 2
 No Forbidden Supernought?!
  • 1 0
 'Tacky Chan' LOL
  • 1 0
 where supernought?
  • 15 16
 It’s even better than Hawk Tuah
  • 8 1
 debatable ...
  • 107 1
 Needs that Hawk Tuah flat
  • 2 1
 @psweeting: I hope you get some Comment Gold for this.
  • 2 0
 @psweeting: hahaha!
  • 2 0
 @psweeting: ahahahaha
  • 3 0
 @psweeting: comment of the year so far.
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